Yet ANOTHER (as if it was needed) reason not to vote Labour

[LionSpirit]

(Really 'Labour' should be in speech marks because it's nothing like what Labour originally stood for)

http://www.ncadc.org.uk/emmaginnsfolder/emmaginnsfolder/oct%2007/BeatriceG.htm

Woman beaten up by immigration officials (oh AND her immigration was FORCED despite doctors making it clear that she was in no fit state to be deported AND she was likely to be attacked in the country she was being deported to)

This government is a joke. It doesn't give a **** about anyone any more.

By the way, the story was also reported in The Independent but the link isn't working for the online story.

[Jon_Veggie]

Vote for the Green Party!

[LionSpirit]

Vote for the Green Party!

Too small for my vote to be worth anything (won't get enough votes) and besides they're happy to claim road humps don't slow down ambulances

[Jon_Veggie]

Too small for my vote to be worth anything (won't get enough votes) and besides they're happy to claim road humps don't slow down ambulances

Hardly an issue worthy of not voting for a party imo. I bet they slow down joyriders!

Worse than the pro-vivisection stance of *all* the major parties?

Realistically, your vote will only 'mean anything' if ou vote for Labour or Conservative, as these are the only two parties that stand a chance of winning.

[LionSpirit]

:think: I don't think that attitude will ever change things!

Well sorry but I'm being realistic. Most people aren't going to vote for the Green Party unless they get enough money for a campaign to equal the campaigns of the "Big Three" (well, "Big Two" now that the media seem to want to ignore Lib Dems now that they've gained a chance of actually winning) AND people like their policies. Therefore a vote on them is as pointless as not voting at all.


Hardly an issue worthy of not voting for a party imo. I bet they slow down joyriders!

Tell that to the people who's relatives have died because the ambulance had to keep slowing down or because a life-saving injection couldn't be given because the ambulance couldn't go steady enough.

And having travelled on my uni bus with one particular driver, they don't slow down anyone who doesn't care about people being bumped around or who don't care about their vehicle.

[hoodedclawjen]

i think even if it won't get anyone into office (it would if everyone did it), giving a vote to a minority party clearly says to the bigger ones 'i really don't support you'. so my party doesn't get in if i vote green- but at least whichever of the other muppets wins, i voted with my conscience, and used my say. i'd rather vote for an underdog than not vote at all, as many disenchanted people do as a show of no faith.

we have very effective speed bumps near my parents house that are wider than the wheelbase of a car, but less wide than the wheelbase of an ambulance. i support them- speeders cause accidents and cost lives- minimising speeding cuts down on accidents, and frees up paramedics for other emergencies.

are you against all the other road safety features which might slow down ambulances too- or just the wide-based speedhumps? if the green party changed their stance on speedhumps, would you vote for them? or if they decided to take out all the speedbumps, using money cut from... oohh... i don't know.. the education, healthcare, or mass transit budget- would that be better?

[LionSpirit]

i think even if it won't get anyone into office (it would if everyone did it), giving a vote to a minority party clearly says to the bigger ones 'i really don't support you'. so my party doesn't get in if i vote green- but at least whichever of the other muppets wins, i voted with my conscience, and used my say. i'd rather vote for an underdog than not vote at all, as many disenchanted people do as a show of no faith.

I suppose you have a point but I think I'm still gonna vote for Lib Dems or Conservatives unless another better party manages an awesome campaign like the one that got Al Gore elected in the U.S.A. before Bush stole the presidency.


we have very effective speed bumps near my parents house that are wider than the wheelbase of a car, but less wide than the wheelbase of an ambulance. i support them- speeders cause accidents and cost lives- minimising speeding cuts down on accidents, and frees up paramedics for other emergencies.

That's good, but most speed bumps slow down ambulances. I would not be against those kind of speed bumps


are you against all the other road safety features which might slow down ambulances too- or just the wide-based speedhumps? if the green party changed their stance on speedhumps, would you vote for them? or if they decided to take out all the speedbumps, using money cut from... oohh... i don't know.. the education, healthcare, or mass transit budget- would that be better?

If I was against any kind of safety I wouldn't be bothered about speed bumps slowing down ambulances - but what's the point of being for speed bumps supposedly saving lives if you're happy for them to contribute to deaths because ambulances can't go fast enough on the roads?

As for money - ID cards are a big waste so not introducing them saves money, illegal wars are a big waste of money, and I'm sure there are other things taxpayers money is being wasted on right now.

I personally think there should be more speed cameras - if you don't speed, you don't need to worry about them and frankly anyone who is bothered about speed cameras shouldn't be on the road as they clearly can't drive. And I don't think they should have to be made visible - if you don't know where they are, you're less likely to speed as they could be anywhere.

[LionSpirit]

Oh dear :sealed: I don't think you can really advocate why not to vote Labour if you think the Tories or the Lib Dems would do any better. Not that the latter has a chance anyway.

And if no one voted for the Greens they wouldn't have the seats that they do, so the votes do in fact matter :up:

Well as voting for Labour is a stupid choice considering what they've done TO the country (and yeh I know they've done a few things FOR the country but they've mostly bulldozed it) and what they plan to do to it, then I might as well vote for a party that might just make a positive difference to the country.

The seats, do those people have any real power? Or are they basically ignored because they're from another party?

[Loki]

None of the parties stand for anything anymore. Centrism seems to take precedence. There is new Labour, which is more central than old Labour, and there is David Cameron's conservatives, the hoodie-hugging move to the centreground.

I have difficulty allying myself with anyone in particular. Now that the lib dems have gotten rid of Campbell, and have got Clegg in place, i may consider supporting them. That said, I'm very much a blue/yellow voter, and I pride myself in having never voted for labour.

I'm just stuck for who to vote for. On the one hand, Brown may be a vile man who has wreaked irreparable damage to our economy, but Cameron's "policy-free politics" really doesn't seem to be much of a turn on. And as for the liberal democrats, I only hope that they can become a real alternative, but they really have to abandon any illusions that 50% tax is a good thing before I will seriously consider them. Why not just cut down on public services & bureaucracy and pass the savings onto the taxpayer, instead of getting the taxpayer to pay extortionate amounts?