Felony Convictions on Vote Rigging in Ohio, aimed to get Bush "elected."

[Silver]

Published on Tuesday, March 20, 2007 by www.CommonDreams.org

Blowback from Ohio's 2004 Stolen Election is Escalating
by Bob Fitrakis & Harvey Wasserman


In a bold move "to restore trust to elections in Ohio," Ohio's newly-elected Secretary of State, Jennifer Brunner, has requested the resignation of all four members of the Cuyahoga County Board of Elections.

Felony convictions have also resulted in 18-month prison sentences for two employees of the Cuyahoga Board of Elections as a result of what the county prosecutor in the case calls the "rigging" of the outcome in the recount following the 2004 presidential election. Further problems surfaced in the conduct of Cuyahoga County's May, 2006 primary, in the wake of which Michel Vu, Executive Director of the county's Board of Elections recently resigned.

In tandem, the shake-up in Ohio's biggest county reflects a widening storm surrounding the outcome of the 2004 presidential election and the conduct of elections overall in the nation's most pivotal state.

http://www.commondreams.org/views07/0320-23.htm

[Silver]

Listen to this sworn testimony by a computer programmer of voter fraud!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEzY2tnwExs

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[Tame]

Wait...but Florida had a paper trail (remember the recount? in 2000. So how was this code used in Florida in 2000, which is when and where he was allegedly approached? Why were they asking how to rig machines that were not in use in Florida or elsewhere at that time?

I won't even address a "computer programmer" stating whether exit polls were accurate or not.

[Silver]

The story is about the 2004 election. 2004.

[Tame]

The story is about the 2004 election. 2004.


The testimony in the YoutTube video is about 2000. 2000.
The "programmer" states the date he was approached around the 40 second mark.

[gaya]

If the dates were correct this would have been pretty good evidence.

[Silver]

If one election rigging in one state has happened, you can bet there were others also. Diebold makes it too easy to cheat. We need a better way to vote.

[Skylark]

If one election rigging in one state has happened, you can bet there were others also. Diebold makes it too easy to cheat. We need a better way to vote.

Plausibility is not proof. Better luck next time.

[inie]

I don't know anything about this particular situation, but I keep hearing from computer experts (talking about the situation in the Netherlands) it's incredibly easy to mess with votes if the voting system is by computer. The privacy of the voting is also not safe. So, I can believe that the system can be easily fooled. That does not mean of course that this has actually happened, just that it could have if someone wanted it to.
But, with voting, we shouldn't really take any risks, in my opinion. Someone invent a better way of voting!

[Savannah]

i think that paper trail records of electronic voting just make sense. there has to be some kind of independent backup in order to ensure that people feel that they can trust their voting system. otherwise, rumors and half-truths will shake the confidence of citizens in the entire voting process.

what is even more worrisome to me are organized vote suppression efforts that appear aimed at the poorest folks among us. there were widespread allegations of that kind of nonsense happening in some areas of Florida in 2000. in addition, it appears many inner city locations in Ohio were faced with inadequate numbers of poll workers and voting equipment in 2004. some of it might be just plain incompetence, some might be on purpose. but when one sees these things happening in poor areas over and over again as opposed to in middle class areas, you got to wonder about what is going on.

i think that election day should be a national holiday or should be on a Saturday or Sunday. we should try to encourage people to vote and participate, not discourage them.

[otomik]

i think that election day should be a national holiday or should be on a Saturday or Sunday. we should try to encourage people to vote and participate, not discourage them.I like that idea, better than the Australian thing of fines for not voting (because not voting itself is sometimes considered a form of political expression). First Tuesday after a Monday seems kind of arbitrary.


rumors and half-truths will shake the confidence of citizens in the entire voting process.true but what can you do? even things like exit polls discourage people from getting out and voting. I'd rather discourage stupid people from voting because the same people that believe 9/11 is a conspiracy tend to also believe in epic cases of vote rigging.

P.S. lets be honest though, by this time vote rigging is so widespread your vote will not be counted if you vote for a Democrat in 2008, you're actually better off getting by the election rigging by voting for a candidate they don't expect to do that well, such as a third party candidate.