Originally posted by Loki

If you want a more serious religious perspective on veganism, then see this sermon:
http://www.landoverbaptist.org/sermons/vegans.html

That page is pretty scary. It's hard to believe that people wold actually believe that. I wonder what version of the bible he was using because I checked mine (New International Version) to see the Timothy verse and it says, "to abstain from certain foods," not meat. That gives a whole different perspective. Also, the addition of the women submitting to their husbands is unecessary. The reasonong behind women being quiet in churches then was not because they didn't have the right to learn. But, it was because at the time it was written in the bible, women had not been allowed at church due to customs. Then, they wre allowed and were unsure what was going on and were asking their husbands because they didn't understand while they were in services. They said that because the curious questions were distracting, not because women are not allowed to open their mouths. He totally took the words out of context.

Originally posted by sunshinemelissa
That page is pretty scary. It's hard to believe that people wold actually believe that.

Well, uh...the web site is a joke, and exaggerates the beliefs of fundamentalist Christians (one of the last 3-4 groups it is acceptable to make fun of...)

Originally posted by VeggieMama
What is the difference between Wiccans and Pagans?I thought they were the same thing?
Also,how does one become Wiccan?I admit that Iwant to be a witch,but I dont know where to start.I have read many books in the past and it has helped some.I remember a spell I did quite a few years back about wanting someone to phone you.I did the spell and about an hour later an old boyfriend called me.I loved it!
Give me some info....

VM
Here is a link that you might want to check out:
http://www.religioustolerance.org/witchcra.htm

I am a Wiccan/Pagan and a vegan. Unfortunately, I have never met another offline. I was pagan long before becoming vegan. Going vegan had nothing to do with my religion, yet they go so perfectly together. I just wish I had done it sooner.

off topic:

there are quotes in the bible that say that god and jesus are cool with vegetarianism. so neah to the naysayers!!! not that i've had anyone approach me from this angle. i don't think its hard to believe it isn't done though.

i had someone tell me a few, but i wouldn't remember.

it is interesting to hear you say you turned your back on wiccanism stellar26, or did you?

i have a future interest in perhaps looking into wiccanism. more out of curiousity than anything. belief systems aren't all so bad.

Originally posted by palindrome
it is interesting to hear you say you turned your back on wiccanism stellar26, or did you?


I guess I wouldn't say that I 'turned my back' on it. I just decided that the religion wasn't for me :). I have absolutely nothing against it; wiccans have a wonderful belief system and I give them the utmost respect.
I think that everybody is entitled to their own beliefs and thoughts. I've found myself to be at a point in my life where I don't really know what I believe. I guess that's why I haven't fully converted myself back to Christianity. I have too many questions left unanswered by Christianity to be ready to return to the church quite yet.

I do not speak for the pagans but only from my observations. It seems that people enter into faith with the heartfelt desire to embrace the beliefs and ideals of faith with all of their life. There is a time when we are quite flexible and our ears are open to truth. Always we come against a wall that causes us to bend the way of our faith to be a little easier to accept in the world we walk in. Instead of bending our lives to honor our faith we take the easy way. We can always find someone who has bumped against the same wall and agrees with us. In our minds we draw power from the fellowship of those who have made the same choice we have made. More come to see our religion (it cannot stay faith once it is built from our own perspective--for the Christian at least faith is standing firm on the Word of God) as something they are comfortable with. This religion becomes so comfortable that when a person of faith comes along, someone who walks in truth instead of comfort, it makes us uncomfortable and we find ourselves at a crossroad where we must either forsake our sin (the Christian term for missing the intent or mark of faith as revealed in the Scripture) OR we must find a way to discredit the person living by faith.

Christianity has nothing to do with what we put into our mouth but there is a lot about what comes out of our mouths. Religious people forget that Jesus himself, who is willing to live his life through us if we let him, will judge each word.

I think those who practice Wicca may find themselves in the same conflict. When we use ourselves as the measure of all things then of course any who conflict with us must be brought down in some way. It is so easy to get trapped in this self-centeredness. We all do it at times. It is choice to walk away from it. It is choice to center my life on truth rather then popular opinion.

I try not to be too harsh on those who cast stones, whether it is about what I eat or my politics or who I accept or reject as a person because I can be just as blind (and am) about my own sin.

And harm ye none would seem to at least call for vegetarian lifestyle, but I am not the right person to judge. That would be an in-house argument.

Originally posted by bennotbombs
Note: I deleted the original post because it was in poor taste for this thread. Please try to use more consideration.
~Erin~

What did I write that was so bad? I seriously don't remember what it was. PM please.

Originally posted by Loki
And the "Vegetarian diets are worse than terrorists had me on the floor laughing.
The quality of the writing made me snicker.

On the original topic: when I first went to university I had an acquaintance who was vegetarian/Wiccan/a PETA member. In my mind it all seemed to go together. That seems pretty dumb now.

I came to Veganism through Wicca, personally. Just like Veganism is a natural extension of Vegetarianism, it was a natural extension of Wicca for me. It's the next step in the progression towards compassionate living. The highest "rule" (if you will...) in Wicca is to "Harm None," so Veganism just makes sense...

But I do think it's a little silly to flip that around and say "All Vegans are Witches!....." ..... right.... ;)

"One of our local outspoken Wiccans loves his hamburgers, and when asked about why he is not a veg*n, goes into a speech about the "natural order" of things and how animals serve as food sources for us in that order. He also interprets the "none" in the Rede to mean "no one," i.e., "no human being."

From what little I am able to observe, he probably represents the majority of Wiccans in these views and practices."

For a lot of pagans, the "natural order" is very important. I am completely understanding of this as this is what I believe. However, it is NOT natural to inject hormones and antibiotics into animals, raise them unnaturally and then kill them without the respect their life and death deserves. However, there is only one religion that I know of the has as a requirement vegetarianism. Jainism. Not even buddhists HAVE to be vegetarian. And pagan beliefs are about finding your own way, your own path, your own journey. There is little dogma. If you HAD to be vegetarian to be pagan then that would be a step in the wrong direction for a belief system that is all about individual choice and responsibility.

Oh, and Pagan is to Wiccan
as Christian is to Protestant...

Does that make sense? :)

I've always been drawn to Wiccanism, looking at stuff about it on the internet, reading, chatting. Have not/Never actually went wiccan though. Im thinking about it. The thing is, I think it would be good for me, though Im so skeptical I cant really believe in a god. I like the feministic aspect of wiccanism, and the earthiness, and self and respect of it too.

Its funny, I think, why arent there more veg*n anti war demonstrators? Wiccans? Environmentalists? It just resonates with so many groups...I think to some degree we see what we want to see though. Anti war and pro war hate to see the suffering, so why eat animals, served with a side of it? Wiccans rede says "do as thou wilt, an it harm none? And raising animals like American bussineses do wreacks havoc on the environment!! Though, biocides stink no matter how you use them. Organic Veganic agriculture is the best kind. :D

That artice was so self contradictory. Dont they even know e. Coli GROWS in cattle intestine?? As it does in humans??(A benign form though) Geeez. Though, I think what that article shows is we just need to be more open minded. Animal worship is not a tenent of veg*ism, though we genereally regard critters with more respect then most do.. and all animals. soo...that was semi right. What a wierd, psychotic, and really random article though!!! Yipes.

Ok, so the washington sniper was a veg*n, so... all veg*ns are evil! It makes perfect sense!

I guess that Dahmer was a vegetarian too...

If you want a more serious religious perspective on veganism, then see this sermon:
http://www.landoverbaptist.org/sermons/vegans.html

Hahaha... hang on that WAS a joke right? You can never tell with all the whacko religious sects in the world...I definiatley buying an Unsaved Tshirt though.

lol - That is a joke, don't worry.

And if I were you, I'd buy a "get your ass to church" t-shirt

I'm so gulible. I believed it!

Originally posted by Loki
lol - That is a joke, don't worry.

And if I were you, I'd buy a "get your ass to church" t-shirt

And a Heathen bumper sticker - that's my dad's nickname for me, well at Christmas/Easter etc anyway heehee. I emailed it to my mum who decided one of her friends would appreciate it - he's used to be our local [Catholic] priest - he thought it was hilarious.

Oh my gosh I can't believe that those articles are supposed to be taken seriously! Another perk of being a leader of organized religion I guess.. you can say whatever you want about 'different' people and beliefs and your 'sheep' will follow your ideas.
I am studying different areas of Paganism currently.. and for me the vegetarian/vegan ideas fit in perfectly for me to further respect our Mother Earth.. although I do know quite a few Wiccans that eat meat. :(

These articles are making me sooo mad right now .. I've been very depressed with the stupidity and close-mindedness of people these days so this isn't helping! I'm going to go smoke a cigarette now! Ahhhhhh.. :mad:

are there actually any christian resources/quotes that support veg*nism?? all i've heard between the two things is that not many people think they go together.

My sister, who just graduated from Catholic high school, has a pin that says: Sorry I missed church. I was busy practicing witchcraft and becoming a lesbian. Thank god for humor, and god save us from those that lack it! ;)

I have been both a witch and a vegetarian for the past 16 years for so, but none of my other witchy friends are veg. Personally, I see the philosophy of "harm none" as applying to the animal world as much as this one, but to each thier own I suppose.

My Christianity has nothing to do with my diet. Although I'm sure Jesus approves as there is no way he condones the cruelty involved in factory farming.

I did study Hinduism during my evolution. Found it very interesting and enlightening. Guilt got in the way though. The depth of my love for God and His teachings made me put aside other religions and accept my true one. I am confident I've made the right choice and I am truly blessed and find comfort in His embracing love. Rather than prostilize, I feel He prefers for me, at least, to have an open mind and heart and welcome all people regardless of faith into friendship.

Well, if you've stuck through this long, you're either a friend or up-chucking. Hee-haw! Go veg*ns! Have faith in what ever inspires you!!

I know Wiccans who are not vegetarian and they would never become veggie. Veganism is closely asociated (sp) with Wicca due to the closeness to nature and all living things the religion joins with. There is no rule in Wicca saying that vegetarianism is necassary. The "harm none" rule is more usually asociated with humans but some see it to agree to the animal kingdom too. The 2 are not linked in anyway. Some people just think that way.

in My Big Fat Greek Wedding they actually make fun of omnis who have no idea what they're talking about! It's soooo funny!

Some members of my family are fundamentalist. I have been told, "Jesus ate fish, so should you." And, "WHAT GOD HATH CLEANSED, NO MAN MAY CALL UNCLEAN."

I said Jesus drank wine, too, and I didn't see them knocking back a glass. And the other thing I just ignored.

This past Memorial Day, I protested with a few other people in front of a Catholic church (Andrew from PETA was there with the Meet Your Meat mobile parked right out front) becuase the church refused to provide a vegan alternative to the people who might want it at their big Memorial day BBQ. We passed out the leaflet that PETA makes, about how Jesus may have been a vegetarian... and the faces some people made were priceless.

I felt the tiniest bit strange being out there, standing next to the guy dressed as Jesus, becuase I dont' really think that Jesus was a vegetarian. But, then again, if he were alive now I think he would be veg*n.... because of the factory farming, etc. Still, it was a good way to catch people's attention, and make them stop for a minute and think about what they were eating. The ends justified the means.

Out of everyone we handed a leaflet to, only one in the whole group (there were 4 separate services help throughout the day) of at least 200 people said they were vegetarian. I found it interesting!