Thanx the fragile77 for your welcome.I turned vegetarian about 6 months ago and I have been vegan for a week. I love it!

That's ok! How are you going with being Vegan? I've been trying for a few weeks but I find it hard to live without dairy :(

Did you replace milk with someting else or did you just stop drinking coffee/tea?

The other bummer about becoming vegan is I'd have to give up Milo...

Well so far so good. I found out that I really like black coffee and I drink green tea if I want a change. I don't like soy milk, so I do things like juice with my cereal, though to cook with in cakes etc soy milk is ok. I was a big cheese eater, so I thought it would be hard. I made my first cheeseless pizza, it was great! I cut up vege sausages to give it some kick. Its fun experimenting.

Hi Iris! So your from Victoria? Where? in the North? or, somewhat more importantly, know anything about Shamber Deer?

Hi Mr Alpaca! I'm in the south eastern part of Victoria. Unfortunately I don't know what Shamber Deer is. Is this a town?

hey iris welcome to veggieboards

good to see another victorian too.

No, it's not a town. Shamber Deer are one of the more widely hunted Australian Deer. Just a subject I have a large interest in.
Never mind :)

G'day iris.

Is SE Vic. the Frankston area? A few years ago I was in Melbourne and travelled down to Frankston by rail to visit family; it was a nice trip, the way it followed the coast. I liked Melbourne a lot.

TAG, my dear Dad's a Deer hunter; I can ask him for you. Although he'll probably speak of how they taste or how tricky they are to kill.

i've never seen any deer in australia.
are they only in the southern states?

ohh and welcome lara :)
you'll like it here at VB :up:
are you involved with animal liberation victoria at all? i hear they do alot of good stuff.

Originally posted by Kurmudgeon
TAG, my dear Dad's a Deer hunter

booooo hiss :whack:

Sorry TAG had never heard of a Shamber Deer. Sounds like a good subject to be interested in though.

Thanks Kurm. No Frankston isn't in the SE area, but I live about half an hour away.

Thanks w_o_e for you welcome. I'm a member of animal liberation victoria. I would love to get more involved but with work etc it doesn't leave much time (sounds like an excuse-I know)

Hello Lara, I'm one of the resident banana-benders. TAG I saw heaps of white-tailed deer in the US but they are very camera shy... I only saw them when I was without my camera or completely unprepared... sorry! Everytime I saw one I thought of you though...

I thought Deer were in Victoria, possibly Tassie.

Sambar deer are found in the Victorian Alps, up into southern NSW and as far south as the Yarra Ranges. They are wild but not native. I believe they were originally introduced from India and Malaysia.
There are deer in the Otways (south west coast) but I don't know what sort they are. They're certainly smaller than Sambar. At least I assume they're still there. I remember seeing them as a kid but that's a long time ago!

I'd say they are still there; some companies have hunts people can pay to go on.

I've never understood hunting for fun even when I still ate meat. It completely baffles me that grown people can find joy in terrifying and killing their fellow creatures. I wish scientists would find the gene that controls empathy. I have to assume that hunters are completely lacking in it.

Thanks Chook, answered all the Q's for me :)

No thanks Kurm, I'm well aware of the answers a hunter will give me.

Thanks Shewolf :)

So, Australia, what's up tonight?

I see Big Brother 3 is still going..... I'd forgotten about that.

I spent my morning dealing with a government department; what a bunch of drongos.

Tonight I'm thinking of driving up into the Blue Mountains. Or maybe up towards the Colo River. Then again I may just remain here at home.

iris240374

what do you think alv?

I've been thinking about getting involved but i'm not sure about their style of liberation.

I guess they have an agenda and will expose these things to the public anyway they can. I haven't personnally been involved with ALV (I joined really to get information for myself-I just don't have time). They seem abit like PETA. I still feel that I am helping, even if I'm not out there with a banner.

iris i'm a volunteer through vnv and there pretty cool, you should come to one of their social events.

I visit their website all the time for info and tips. What type of volunteer work do you do with them?

hello everyone !!!

some of you might be aware of this already but i thought i'd post it here for those who might not know. i got it from the alv newsletter so it must be the victorian time (unsure about the difference between vic and other states but i am sure someone on here can help you out if you are interested to watch it!) >>>

SBS DOCUMENTARY: MODERN MEAT

The hamburger has become the First World's food of choice. But gone are the days when a hamburger patty contained the meat from a single cow; with enormous numbers of cattle now being herded, fattened, slaughtered, and ground up together, it's virtually impossible to determine how many cows contribute to a single burger. Through interviews with current and former US Department of Agriculture officials, meat inspectors, food safety experts, and industry representatives, Modern Meat reveals how today's highly-industrialised meat business has fundamentally changed the composition of the typical America burger, causing some to fear the spread of serious - and even deadly - bacteria. The program also explores the powerful US meat industry's attempts to resist certain government regulations aimed at preventing contaminated meat from ending up in supermarkets and fast food chains across America.

SBS: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 @ 8.30pm

shewolf, glad to see you back safe and sound from your trip OS. hope you had a great time :)