"The phone call records of tens of millions of Americans" have been secretly collected by the National Security Agency since President Bush authorized the so-called warrantless eavesdropping program after the 9/11 attacks, USA TODAY is reporting.

Citing "people with direct knowledge of the arrangement," the newspaper reports that the program "is far more expansive than what the White House has (previously) acknowledged." It has also been conducted, USA TODAY writes, with cooperation from AT&T, Verizon and BellSouth.


Full story...

http://blogs.usatoday.com/ondeadline/2006/05/nsa_has_collect.html

Your tax dollars at work...

lol
"But they'd never do it to actual American citizens".
Why am I not the least bit surprised?
Mary

Meh. The government crosses the line way too much anyway, and this is at the bottom of the list of my worries. If you're not a terrorist/speaking to terrorists/dealing drugs/building a nuclear missle, I don't think there's much to worry about.

If they're going to do it, they're going to do it. If it helps find the bad guys, so be it. That's just my opinion. :)

But they KNEW an attack was being planned using airliners. How much more information so they need on us to "protect" us??

Even if "they" knew that HealthNut, it's not a lot of good without some whens and wheres.

Damn, now all my calls to 1-900-Hot-Stud are in the government's hands. Maybe I can blame them on my sister..yeah. :)

Why did Condy Rice call Willy Brown and tell him not to fly on 9/11?

*sigh* It's already been discussed to death on VB, so I'll pass.

Why did Condy Rice call Willy Brown and tell him not to fly on 9/11?

Proof?
Oh, you have none.
Thanks.

good thing healthNUT is homeschooling, I'd hate to see his kids brainwashed by the fascist media. I mean the liberal media, I mean uhhhh ohh uhhhh

I still know someone who needs to be taken to the wood shed, and I still know where one is.

Proof?
Oh, you have none.
Thanks.


Oh yeah-I trust YOUR opinion. Believe it, don't believe it. I could care less.

Full story...

http://blogs.usatoday.com/ondeadline/2006/05/nsa_has_collect.html
+what's kinda funny about this is the NSA has been doing this a lot longer than Bush has been in office

Oh yeah-I trust YOUR opinion. Believe it, don't believe it. I could care less.


Proof? Oh, right. You still don't have any.

Kind of sad when something as simple as basing opinions on verifiable facts is out of style.

Even if "they" knew that HealthNut, it's not a lot of good without some whens and wheres.

Damn, now all my calls to 1-900-Hot-Stud are in the government's hands. Maybe I can blame them on my sister..yeah. :)

Yeah, well, the thing to remember is that these are records the phone companies already maintained, not something new.

That just means that all this time some underpaid phone-tech with greasy hair, acne and time on his hands has always had access to them. :naughty:

Red...true, but don't you think that the records now being stored in a govt database is different?
<<<not very trusting of her government.

And healthnut, for crying out loud, do you not see the irony of your statements here? You're criticizing Tame for asking us to believe his opinion, yet you yourself offer no proof of YOUR statements.

FWIW, I think the political system is pretty f-ed up in this country. I believe that there were no WMDs in Iraq, that Valerie Plume's outing was anything from accidental, that race was a primary factor in Katrina relief, and for that matter, that Oswald didn't act alone.

But do I believe that the government had tangible knowledge of 9/11 before the event? :no:

I am another who doesn't trust all the branches of the government. My theory is that as soon as technology was developed to snoop on us all, they started snooping in every way possible. What the big deal now is they got caught. How clumsy.

It's just a database of which numbers have been dialing which numbers and when they did so. It's just used to detect calling patterns.

It's the same thing you can look up through your cellular phone service provider. (You know, the list of numbers you diailed during your billing period, what city it went to, and how long it lasted.) These records don't seem to release any private information and don't involve eavesdropping. The credit bureaus and credit card companies know more about us for gosh sakes.

I am another who doesn't trust all the branches of the government. My theory is that as soon as technology was developed to snoop on us all, they started snooping in every way possible. What the big deal now is they got caught. How clumsy.
:yes:

:up:

totally agree

How long untill we have no rights anymore? The government is no longer keeping itself in check and unfortunatly they can take advantage this.

The terrorist truely won with 9/11

For anyone who says that this is just a database used to detect calling patterns, why should we believe this? We were first told that this was only involving international calls, and those who worried that it involved many domestic to domestic calls as well were called paranoid and conspriacy theorists. We now know that it wasn't just international calls.

For those of us worried that the calls themselves are being monitored, why shouldn't we assume that the scope of this is far greater than we've learned so far?

It's just a database of which numbers have been dialing which numbers and when they did so. It's just used to detect calling patterns.

It's the same thing you can look up through your cellular phone service provider. (You know, the list of numbers you diailed during your billing period, what city it went to, and how long it lasted.) These records don't seem to release any private information and don't involve eavesdropping. The credit bureaus and credit card companies know more about us for gosh sakes.

Not to sound like a conspiracy theorist but that's what they're admitting to now that they've been "caught." Who knows what else is going on that we don't know about.

I'm thinking about dropping my phone and dsl and switching to cable (I have Verizon) just out of principle.

Michael and DCVeg, very understood. I'm only going by the USA Today report. A lot of people (not necessarily on this board) have taken the article out of context by saying eavesdropping is going on, so I was just referring to what I read. Not that I'm saying it's the full truth, but I haven't heard otherwise, so that's where I'm coming from. That's why I said it doesn't seem like the records are for other purposes; let's just hope I'm right.:-/

Never trust the government with our wellbeing

Not to sound like a conspiracy theorist but that's what they're admitting to now that they've been "caught." Who knows what else is going on that we don't know about.

I'm thinking about dropping my phone and dsl and switching to cable (I have Verizon) just out of principle.

Because Comcast wouldn't be just as bad as the phone companies?