I do not get it in this day and age how people can be so bloody ignorant.
I mean I am sure the guy did not mean any ill will he was just ignorant.

We held an adoption fair this weekend and of course we had up our posters and booklet of pets that are up for preadoption but for various reasons they were not avalible to take home that day maybe to young or were still under medical care.
In one of the pictures is a pair of orange tabbys that were taken into custody froman abusive owner, the female had a coller on her that had been put on as a kitten and never loosened or removed so of course it had to be removed surgicaly and what is left is a large open wound that has to be cared for and she will not be ready to go for some time but her picture is used for educational reasons along with several other animals to bring awareness to people of what happens when people do not care for the creatures they take in.
Anyway this guy walks up looks at the pictures and asks me why didnt you guys just put her down?

I was like why? She is hurt but it is not terminal and she can recover to live a happy life.
He was like but wouldnt it be kinder? I mean you have to have spent a lot of money on that , er... yeah we did thats why we are here.
He obviously thought it was stupid and said well it is just an animal, animals don't feel .

Now were is a wall I can bang my head into, I mean I do not think he was a bad guy he did give a donation and said it was great there were people in the world looking after the animals but it is so frusterating that part of the problem is people thinking animals can not feel, both physicaly and emotionaly.
I mean can you belive there are people out there that still think animals do not feel pain much less have emotions akin to a humans?
I mean sure they may not think of it in the same way we do but that dosnt mean it isnt there.
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My father has pretty much the same attitude; it makes me mad. The cat I had as a teenager spent most of her time outdoors, and one day she came home with an open wound, I had to take her to the vet. My parents were dismayed at the vet's bill (which wasn't THAT big), and my dad said "Wouldn't it have been cheaper just to have her put down?" :grr:

So I can understand how angry you must have been yesterday. Unfortunately, there are plenty of people with that attitude.

I do not get it in this day and age how people can be so bloody ignorant.
I mean I am sure the guy did not mean any ill will he was just ignorant.

We held an adoption fair this weekend and of course we had up our posters and booklet of pets that are up for preadoption but for various reasons they were not avalible to take home that day maybe to young or were still under medical care.
In one of the pictures is a pair of orange tabbys that were taken into custody froman abusive owner, the female had a coller on her that had been put on as a kitten and never loosened or removed so of course it had to be removed surgicaly and what is left is a large open wound that has to be cared for and she will not be ready to go for some time but her picture is used for educational reasons along with several other animals to bring awareness to people of what happens when people do not care for the creatures they take in.
Anyway this guy walks up looks at the pictures and asks me why didnt you guys just put her down?

I was like why? She is hurt but it is not terminal and she can recover to live a happy life.
He was like but wouldnt it be kinder? I mean you have to have spent a lot of money on that , er... yeah we did thats why we are here.
He obviously thought it was stupid and said well it is just an animal, animals don't feel .

Now were is a wall I can bang my head into, I mean I do not think he was a bad guy he did give a donation and said it was great there were people in the world looking after the animals but it is so frusterating that part of the problem is people thinking animals can not feel, both physicaly and emotionaly.
I mean can you belive there are people out there that still think animals do not feel pain much less have emotions akin to a humans?
I mean sure they may not think of it in the same way we do but that dosnt mean it isnt there.
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He probably thinks his children don't have feelings that are important either.

Doesn't it just make you want to scream. Imagine how much better animals everywhere would be treated if everyone knew that they had feelings. It's science's fault really, instead of taking the attitude that we can't prove the animals have consciousness and so we should assume that they do since they're so similar to humans biologically and genetically, science takes the attitude that since we can't prove that animals have consciousness, we're going to assume that they don't. It's a double standard because any one person cannot prove that other people have consciousness and yet we assume that they do, you won't find a single scientific textbook that says that since you can't prove that anyone other than you, as an individual has consciousness, we have to assume that everyone else is really a robot. The whole thing is just stupid.

It is stupid, I mean it was not all that long ago that people thought human babies were a "blank" slate and did not feel pain etc and the horrid things we as a species did to our own young and now even though we know better we as a species are still assuming other things are blank or have no feelings when it is very clear even to the casual observer that they do.

They feel emotions and are capable of complex thought patterns and dream states.

If he would listen closely, he might hear his dog think to him.

My little dog talks with ever part of her being. She feels all the spectrum of emotions, and watching her sleep is a hoot! She acts out her dreams even to the point of very light barking and imitation running. I just missed so much before I had her. If I ever type weird or spell worse than usual, it is probably because she is sitting in my lap helping me write.

he said it would be kinder to put her down yet he doesn't think they have feelings? :think:

Don't get me started!people can be so ignorant where animals are concerened.I used to work in a petshop & some people were just unbelieveable.Thank goodness for vegetarians :)

He probably thinks his children don't have feelings that are important either.

Why "probably"?

Doesn't it just make you want to scream. Imagine how much better animals everywhere would be treated if everyone knew that they had feelings. It's science's fault really, instead of taking the attitude that we can't prove the animals have consciousness and so we should assume that they do since they're so similar to humans biologically and genetically, science takes the attitude that since we can't prove that animals have consciousness, we're going to assume that they don't. It's a double standard because any one person cannot prove that other people have consciousness and yet we assume that they do, you won't find a single scientific textbook that says that since you can't prove that anyone other than you, as an individual has consciousness, we have to assume that everyone else is really a robot. The whole thing is just stupid.

Science doesn't have an opinion, it's not a being. Blaming the problems you percieve in the world on that is stupid.

That, and I'm sure I've seen articles posted on these very boards that contradict your whole "we can't prove it" part.

Good Morning, Scythe.

Not for me . . . it's 9:00 PM.

You want I should ship you some beautiful spring weather?

I dislike warm seasons. They take the fun out of being warm.

Ayrlin, in my area there are often a lot of offers to adopt an animal who has been victimized by an ignorant or cruel caretaker. But the sad truth is, other animals are killed because nobody adopts them, and they don't have huge veterinary bills.

I'm not defending the callous statement that the cat your group was rahabbing should have been killed, and I sympathise with an animal who has been treated badly too. My most recent adoptee wasn't abused, but she was developing an impacted colon when I adopted her from the shelter, and two days after I brought her home, she had to go into the hospital overnight. I could have returned her to the shelter- the shelter policy allows someone to return an animal and get a refund if s/he turns out to be in poor health within 30 days. But I had bonded with her, and "getting my money back" wasn't an option.

(This situation here seems to be getting better: I get the impression that the local shelters are adopting out a higher percentage of the animals they take in, and the "spay-and-neuter!" message appears to be getting through.)

If I could piggyback on your venting, I'm getting frustrated by my neighbors who think it's no big deal that they're dogs run away on a regular basis. And not just one neighbor, all of them. I'm tired of rounding up all of their dogs as they dart in and out of traffic only to return them to neighbors who laugh about it or yell and hit the dog and tell me "that stupid dog is always getting out". The only stupid one in this equation is the guy I'm talking to. Ugh. I'm particularly peeved today because a friendly black pit bull found it's way into my yard yesterday and it was the nicest dog and got along great with my gang and I wanted so much to keep it but knew I couldn't, and knew I had to find it's owner (shelters here have a must-euthanize policy for pit bulls), so I walked the neighborhood until I did, only to find out the owner's a jerk. :brood:

They have an auto kill at your shelter just because of the breed of the dog?
That is crazy! I have far more sweet pit bulls than I have those teeny mixican dogs ( I can not spell their name) those little buggers are mean but pit bulls are pretty sweet most of the time unless they are unlucky enough to get a bad owner.

We have one that lives across the street from a up pit/lab mix always gets out the owners ended up keepign her tied up all the time because she could somehow just going flydog over the 6 foot fence.

Tom I compleatly understand your statment but we are overall a no kill facility , I know the "shelter" puts all sick or hurt animals down along with many many of thier healthy counterparts because there just are not enough homes.

I wish the spay and nuter message would get out here, despite having all kinds of programs to help pay for the surgery, or even get it free for low income etc people are not useing it.


San Antonio is #1 for number of pets euthanized annually per capita. While euthanasia rates in the past 20 years nationwide have gone down 80%, ours has doubled according to numbers gotten July last yar so who knows maybe there have been changes in the last year but talking to the women who foster for the humane sociaty I wouldsay not much has changed.

Yeah, well, the city has an ordainance prohibiting pits from being adopted, leaving the city shelters no choice but to euthanize if they can't be transfered to an out of town rescue.

Why "probably"?



Science doesn't have an opinion, it's not a being. Blaming the problems you percieve in the world on that is stupid.

That, and I'm sure I've seen articles posted on these very boards that contradict your whole "we can't prove it" part.

I'm basing this on a psychology paper I did on Animal Behaviour where we were specifically told that since only one animal has ever met the criteria that has been set to show that animals have consciousness, the animal behaviour community of scientists and researchers take the stance that animals do not have consciousness. These are the people I refer to as science (for brevity). The criteria is that they put together two behaviours to achieve a goal which they have not been taught to put together. It was ravens who did, and people are currently working with dolphins to see if they can do it. Maybe every idiot's opinion that animals don't have consciousness isn't because of this situation, but imagine the difference if these guys said that actually we're going to assume that animals do have consciousness.

Scythe, I would love to hear about the posts that contradict the 'we can't prove it' thing.

Scythe, I would love to hear about the posts that contradict the 'we can't prove it' thing.

This was a while back, but I'm thinking one had something to do with chickens. I'll see if I can find it or another one.

http://www.veggieboards.com/boards/showthread.php?t=33379

Never seen that before personally, but it's an example. You can probably find more buried in there somewhere.

Well Scythe, I have to say I was pretty pissed off that you called me stupid but I do like this article, I don't know how recent it was, the paper I did is a few years old now. I guess progress is being made.

Progress via science, even.

Scythe you wouldn't happen to be some kind of scientist would you?

heh