I was wondering about this, since I find since going 99.9% vegan I am eating more & more fruit/drinking lots of juice & smoothies.
My nutritionist recently told my bf to only eat 1-2 servings of fruit a day since he's pre-diabetic.
In the other thread on sugars in the Geberal Health forum, someone wrote that you are only supposed to have 50 g of sugars a day- fruitarians must easily double that!!
What, if any, consequences are there to eating so much fructose?

At the health institute where I work, people with cancer, diabetes, etc are told not to eat any sugar of any kind, including fruit. Most of the people there eat no fruit because they come to heal from serious diseases. We used to do more fruit at the institute, but the directors were finding that people with cancer and other diseases just were not healing as they should be. Their diseases would get worse, despite an all raw diet. When they cut out sugar for these unhealthy people, they started to get better. Now for healthy people it is okay to have fruit and even occasionally to use sweeteners like maple syrup (not raw though). And children can eat high amounts of fruti too and be healthy because they burn it all off. I think your limits kind of depend on how healthy and how active you are when it comes to sweet fruits. With fruitarians, it's very important that they consume lots of non sweet fruit such as peppers, tomatoes, zucchini, squash, cucumber, etc. because these will be more balancing and centering for them.

At the health institute where I work, people with cancer, diabetes, etc are told not to eat any sugar of any kind, including fruit. Most of the people there eat no fruit because they come to heal from serious diseases. We used to do more fruit at the institute, but the directors were finding that people with cancer and other diseases just were not healing as they should be.

What has been your experience with diabetes and sugar at the institute? In the last issue of a raw food magazine that I subsribe to, there was a Q/A section that explained that diabetes is caused by a high-fat diet -- sugar is the trigger and not the cause of diabetes. High fruit, low-fat diets were recommended as part of the healing process for diabetes.

I'm not sure what to make of that since I don't know that much about health and nutrition.

You're talking about Living Nutrition, right? I don't agree with that point of view. I've seen so many amazing recoveries from all sorts of diseases and I have heard so much research and so many stories and I've ssen what too much sugar does on a live blood analysis. But I also agree that too much fat is also not good. Obviously, we don't want our diet to be like 60% of calories from fat, which is what a lot of raw fooders do. That's where sprouts and sprout juices come in. The juices especially are a good source of calories and believe it or not, sprouts have good amounts of protein and fatty acids. I think a diet with moderate fruit and moderate fat and high in sprouts and green leafy veggies and their juice is the best. For example, have a couple pieces of fruit per day and for your fat, maybe 1/2 or 1 avocado or a handful of nuts. Of course, serving sizes will depend on gender, activity level, height, etc.

What has been your experience with diabetes and sugar at the institute? In the last issue of a raw food magazine that I subsribe to, there was a Q/A section that explained that diabetes is caused by a high-fat diet -- sugar is the trigger and not the cause of diabetes. High fruit, low-fat diets were recommended as part of the healing process for diabetes.

I'm not sure what to make of that since I don't know that much about health and nutrition.
It's important to keep in mind that there are two types of diabetes (tho a third has been under consideration). Type-II is the one that we bring on ourselves. Well, not entirely because there must be a predisposition and other factors that set the stage to develop type-II diabetes. One of the biggest risk factors is obesity because as adipose cells enlarge (as adults our adipose cells rarely if ever increase in number, they only increase in size) they become resistant to insulin. Somehow, and I don't totally understand the mechanism, the stretching of the cell affects insulin receptors. I really don't understand how they deal with it. It must be a pain.

And you are correct about fat contributing to the development of diabetes but it's only certain fats, like trans-fats where on the other hand unsaturated fats aid in prevention. As far as sugar goes, fibrous plant foods are a good source of sugar for a diabetic. For one, only roughly 60% of sugar from fruit actually gets absorbed due to fiber content. Any diabetic should be weary of raising blood glucose and insulin will nilly.

one handful of nuts?!?!
i thought that you couldn't have too much 'good fat' and it was only the bad and the calories that were a danger??
i eat a lot of fat. but none of it is trans and only a little is saturated.
if you're getting enough of everything else (ie. not LIVING off fat) ..is good fat still bad in larger amounts??

You're talking about Living Nutrition, right? I don't agree with that point of view. I've seen so many amazing recoveries from all sorts of diseases and I have heard so much research and so many stories and I've ssen what too much sugar does on a live blood analysis. But I also agree that too much fat is also not good. Obviously, we don't want our diet to be like 60% of calories from fat, which is what a lot of raw fooders do. That's where sprouts and sprout juices come in. The juices especially are a good source of calories and believe it or not, sprouts have good amounts of protein and fatty acids. I think a diet with moderate fruit and moderate fat and high in sprouts and green leafy veggies and their juice is the best. For example, have a couple pieces of fruit per day and for your fat, maybe 1/2 or 1 avocado or a handful of nuts. Of course, serving sizes will depend on gender, activity level, height, etc.


Yes, it was in Living Nutrition. I actually had that in my post but I edited it out in case I had read it wrong.

So what's the basic diet recommended at the health institute where you work? Is it a high raw diet or all raw diet? Are there any diet models used that are not raw?

On the sugar topic: I imagine that some do well with high fruit diets and others do not. It'll be interesting to see how the high fruit raw foodists fare over many years on such a diet.

gaya: I'll have to read your post two or three times before I can say I've properly digested it.

one handful of nuts?!?!
i thought that you couldn't have too much 'good fat' and it was only the bad and the calories that were a danger??
i eat a lot of fat. but none of it is trans and only a little is saturated.
if you're getting enough of everything else (ie. not LIVING off fat) ..is good fat still bad in larger amounts??
I feel that it is not good to have a huge percentage of fats in your diet even if they are good ones. Even good fats will make the blood cells clump together, as I've seen in my own blood in live blood analysis after eating a meal high in good raw fats. Nuts are difficult to digest and if you think about it, if you were out in nature, you wouldn't eat very many of them at once because it's such a pain to get them out of the shells. That said, I think everyone is different in the foods that work for them, and if higher fat diet works for you, great. I just know it doesn't work for me.

Yes, it was in Living Nutrition. I actually had that in my post but I edited it out in case I had read it wrong.

So what's the basic diet recommended at the health institute where you work? Is it a high raw diet or all raw diet? Are there any diet models used that are not raw?

On the sugar topic: I imagine that some do well with high fruit diets and others do not. It'll be interesting to see how the high fruit raw foodists fare over many years on such a diet.

gaya: I'll have to read your post two or three times before I can say I've properly digested it.
Basically, here is the program:
2 ounces of wheatgrass juice twice daily
16 ounces of green juices, including juiced sprouts, three times daily
Two main meals (lunch and dinner) with an emphasis on a variety of sprouts (we have like 10 different kinds at each meal) then to go along with the sprous, we have all kinds of vegetables and sea vegetables and side dishes either made with avocado or nuts or grain (but not mixing the above)
If one is healthy, a maximum of 20% of the diet by weight is allowed to be cooked vegan foods like steamed vegetables, baked squashes or yams, and cooked grains.
If one is healthy, a maximum of 15% of the diet can be fruit (which is about two pieces per day). Children can eat more fruit though, up to 60% of the diet.
We fast on green juices one day a week (except people with blood sugar issues, people with certain kinds of cancer, and people who are too thin or can't stand to lose any more weight.
Some people eat raw or cooked grains for breakfast, depending on their health challenge.

It's interesting because people come and instead of saying "Oh I'm hungry all the time" like you might expect, they're all saying, "I can't believe how satisfied I am" and many of them don't even eat dinner because they are still so satisfied from lunch. When the body gets the nutrients it needs, you are not hungry nearly as often.

This is only the nutritional aspect of the program. We also including exercise, sunshine, all kinds of therapies, positive thinking, meditation, sauna, mineral pools, and lots of other things in the healing process.

Dang! That sounds like alot of food! I would never be able to eat that much! Raw to me is so satisfying compared to cooked foods. On cooked foods it's like I can never get enough & will eat till im bloated & still not be satisfied. On raw I can live off a salad for lunch & a green juice for breakfast with a little something sweet in the evening & be perfectly content.

There is good fat. It's good for ya if you eat it sensibilely because good fats have saturated fat in them too. So you have to be careful with it too. I use Canola minely for now. So take it easy in good fats too because even though they are good, they still have sat. fat in them too. :(

Ain't it a shame yall. :( Awwwwwww :cry: