An online petition has been launched allowing the UK public to back medical research using animals.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/4923402.stm

If they have to do this, it means that the anti-vivisectionist movement has made big progress nd I think the vivisectors are starting to really feel the bite.

Their petition is useless. They say they will monitor IP addresses and e-mail addresses to prevent multiple signatures. Well, considering that most people have access to more than one computer, some people are on dial-up and therefore have a diffferent IP address each time, many people have multiple e-mail addresses... it's not really going to be indicative of anything.

Oh, I don't know. So many in this country are pro-hunting and pro-animal testing. I reckon that petition could get pretty big. :wall:

Only because they are ignorent as to alternatives and fall for the baby-or a monkey senario every time.

"Jo Tanner, chief executive of CMP, said a recent Mori public opinion poll commissioned by the organisation showed 75% of Great Britain's population could accept animal experimentation as long as it was for medical purposes."

That means 25% are left though, you can win eletions on those sort of figures. Surely that tells you something?

"Jo Tanner, chief executive of CMP, said a recent Mori public opinion poll commissioned by the organisation showed 75% of Great Britain's population could accept animal experimentation as long as it was for medical purposes."

Ending cosmetic testing is a good start too!

The 25% will also include people who have no opinion though.

This (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4177200.stm) was linked from that page - it's got some interesting info. apparently animals used in research in the UK have almost halved since the 1970s - but animals bred with genetic modifications and defects are increasing.

cosmetic testing on animals is already banned in the uk tho :guitar:

They, the pro animal experimentation organization can't even say we are for animal experimentation they use there euphemism of "research"-what does "research" mean? search and research?

They used to call what they did vivisection then they said animal experimentation then animal testing then animal "research"-they constantly rebrand because undercover investigations time and time again show the sadism and suffering involved and the public would me awakened to that through the accurate discription of vivisection or animal experimentation rather then the gentle euphemism of "research"

cosmetic experimentation is'nt banned by law,just no cosmetic experimentation licenses have be given out though i heard cosmetic experimentation on animals continues under "chemical testing" and the recent exposure of Wickham Labs and botox experimentation proves

Quick search found this on wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_testing#Testing_cosmetics_on_animals)

Cosmetics testing is particularly controversial. It is banned in the Netherlands, Belgium, and the UK, and in 2002, after 13 years of discussion, the European Union (EU) agreed to phase in a near-total ban on the sale of animal-tested cosmetics throughout the EU from 2009, and to ban all cosmetics-related animal testing.

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Although the British Home Office stopped giving licences to test finished cosmetic products in 1998, compounds that have both cosmetic and medical uses, such as those in the "anti-wrinkle" preparations Zyderm, Restylane and Botox, are still bound by the regulations requiring animal testing.

so cosmetic testing is banned - but not for items that also have medicinal uses, which makes sense since medicine legally needs animal testing before it can move on to human testing. SUMAC says the ban saves 38000 animals a year which can't be bad :D

i believe you if there is a cast iron law existing,but this just looks like words on paper,but don't you realize the supposed "medicinal" purposes provide the perfect loophole if that law exists and thus in effect cosmetic experiments continue because the vivisectors are the jude and jury all at once as just what is "medicinal"-not only the ones in the labs but their vivisector collegues in the medical research council and "health" department of the home office.

P.s -the individual mice injected with botox in the LD50 test at Wickham Labs don't care if its for "cosmetic","medical" or "chemical",its the same consequentual premise of "studying" them while they physically suffer in convulsions,paralyzation and pain.

Should of added this on to the last reply-WIKIPEDIA are a crap truth witholding reference,they have done previous articles on vivisection where they have witholden information from their pretenced unbaisness reports and reguiritated the vivisectors comments as facts even though there are existing documents from the freedom of information act that proves there lies.

i've seen it from numerous sources - sadly most of them are paper and i dont feel like lugging them down to a mates to borrow their scanner. the bbc did a story on it, and the EU-wide ban (on all but 3 tests as of 2009, with those 3 ending in 2015 IIRC) is well documented. wikipedia was just the first web link i found

Any ban is a step in the right direction even if it has loopholes, and as far as i'm aware this one is working exactly how it says because no cosmetic research licenses have been given out for a few years. be happy for a little progress, the world doesnt change instantly :D

this is so f***ing stupid!

animal testing is the thing i feel most strongly about, being a vegan. yet i feelt so helpless, cos i can barely even talk about it without getting upset.

how can i stand up for something that upsets me? its hard when you have everyone around you (as i do) disagreeing with you. everyone i know [bar my boyfriend] feels animal testing is necessary for medical research and they just plain dont care about cosmetic testing.

its frustrating. i feel like things are never going to change.

The bbc are another crap reference they internally and externally profit from animal experimentation,even employing as a tv presenter Colin Blakemore who is infamous for sewing the eyelids and blinding kittens and chimpanzee's.

Here's a link to the bbc vivisection bais:

http://www.bava.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/bbc.html

Vegania: The Guardian is another news source that is biased towards the vivisectioners. I recently wrote a letter to the editor because I was so weary of their Derek Brown putting the word "rights" in inverted comments when he spoke of animal rights activists. (His contempt for animal rights activists is almost childish.) I told them that it's obvious that Brown has a bee in his bonnet but that it would be nice if his readers could be spared from having to listen to the constant buzz. (My source is the Guardian Weekly - not the daily.)

They, the pro animal experimentation organization can't even say we are for animal experimentation they use there euphemism of "research"-what does "research" mean? search and research?

Research is a more accurate term than "animal experimentation". Just because an animal is used for a test, doesn't mean that's the whole thing over and done with. That's just a small part of the research.

Plus "animal experimentation" is hardly a nasty term anyway, and believe it or not the whole world is not obligated to use words that support your specific beliefs.

Up to them, I don't care.

Hi Scythe, animal experimentation is the accurate term of discription,"research" could refer to numerous scientific techniques like IN VITRO RESEARCH,AUTOPSY RESEARCH,CLINICAL RESEARCH ect ect.

The pro vivisectionists don't like accurate reflections of their scapgoating sadism just noble euphemisms like "research","Biomedical Research","medical research",they even call killing "produce lethality" or "sacrifice" they, like you Scythe prefer comfortable media santioning Jargon.

"Those who monopolize power,monopolize meaning".

what does "research" mean anyhow? Search and research
What does "test" mean Scythe? i thought it meant an exam in school,you know like SATS or GCSE''s.

Just because an animal is used for a test, doesn't mean that's the whole thing over and done with. That's just a small part of the research.So, what does animal research entail - that AR advocates are also opposed to - in addition to animal experimentation?

Hi Scythe, animal experimentation is the accurate term of discription,"research" could refer to numerous scientific techniques like IN VITRO RESEARCH,AUTOPSY RESEARCH,CLINICAL RESEARCH ect ect.

The pro vivisectionists don't like accurate reflections of their scapgoating sadism just noble euphemisms like "research","Biomedical Research","medical research",they even call killing "produce lethality" or "sacrifice" they, like you Scythe prefer comfortable media santioning Jargon.

Accurate? How the hell would you know? You don't know what the words mean, remember?

So, what does animal research entail - that AR advocates are also opposed to - in addition to animal experimentation?

It doesn't matter what AR advocates are opposed to when we're talking about what the people doing the research call it. For you it might end there, for them it doesn't.

what does "research" mean anyhow? Search and research
What does "test" mean Scythe? i thought it meant an exam in school,you know like SATS or GCSE''s.

You read English (to an extent anyway), look the words up.

It doesn't matter what AR advocates are opposed to when we're talking about what the people doing the research call it. For you it might end there, for them it doesn't.Well see, it seems in the link in the OP, that 'animal research' was used pretty similarly to how others use 'animal experimentation', and no one here has come up with any differences in what the terms refer to.

I was replying to another post.

And apparently the definitions are hard to come by . . . for some reason.

Vegania's original point was that the term 'animal research' was used as an euphemism. This is quite probably correct, as I don't see a reason to assume different referents for 'animal research' and 'animal experimentation' (in this context at least), and since it would be very naive to think language, especially concerning a controversial subject, is used neutrally.