I've often wondered if by supporting PETA, are vegetarians really just making themselves look bad. Think about it, PETA has a reputation as being an aggressor on par with that of the ACLU. It seems to me that PETA in its self is merely a quandary, which the vegetarian community must deal with. I have had my own doubts in the past couple years whether or not they are to be tolerated or cast aside like the low lives many think they are.

I've often wondered if by supporting PETA, are vegetarians really just making themselves look bad. Think about it, PETA has a reputation as being an aggressor on par with that of the ACLU. It seems to me that PETA in its self is merely a quandary, which the vegetarian community must deal with. I have had my own doubts in the past couple years whether or not they are to be tolerated or cast aside like the low lives many think they are.

what do you mean for years youve thought about tolerating them??????

what does this mean?

what do you mean for years youve thought about tolerating them??????

what does this mean?
It means just what it says, I've seen statistics, facts, figures, quotes, and hypocrisies inside of PETA that make me doubt whether or not the vegetarian community should truly support them.

everyone responds differently to different tactics... thats why peta works for some and not for others. but it still DOES work, have you seen their accomplishments?

ive noticed that it seems the majority of veggies dont support peta, and thats good cuz they go about it in the nicer way which is also what we need...

I don't think PETA are pretentious enough to be nihilists :)

I do not support them, in fact they turned me away from what naturaly attracted me for many years. I did not want people in error to think I was in any way connected to them and the general thought were I lived for a time was that veg*n were all one of those nutter PETA people.
I do not like PETA, I have said it before thier hearts may have been in the right place at one time but thier tactics turn me away.

aww... looks like noname left right as the debates were getting good... maybe he had run out of his "premium" logic?

'Nihilists! F*ck me. I mean, say what you like about the tenets of National Socialism, Dude, at least it's an ethos. '

Think about it, PETA has a reputation as being an aggressor on par with that of the ACLU.

Hmm . . . And this is a bad thing? :confused:

I've often wondered if by supporting PETA, are vegetarians really just making themselves look bad.

I've often wondered if Christians that support Pat Roberston, Jimmy Swagart and Rod parsley, are making themselves look bad also.

NO, there are always the extremist in everything, but the whole point and message still gets out.;)

I can be added to the vegetarians who don't like PETA list. I've never really liked them and nothing they've done or said has ever changed my mind about anything. Personally I think their tactics work for very few people as most dismiss them immediately as crazies.
I think you get further by giving the facts without trying to make the other side look like pure evil. I don't believe every farmer, every scientist, every omni is an evil, cold person and you'll never change anyone's mind so long as you try to portray that.
Then again, I think if everyone knew 100% facts about factory farming, the majority of people would still consume animal products for a variety of reasons. So I think the battle they are fighting they are destined to lose no matter what their tactics are.
Mary

I do not support them, in fact they turned me away from what naturaly attracted me for many years. I did not want people in error to think I was in any way connected to them and the general thought were I lived for a time was that veg*n were all one of those nutter PETA people.
I do not like PETA, I have said it before thier hearts may have been in the right place at one time but thier tactics turn me away.


I agree with this mostly....

PETA was not the reason I became vegetarian but their information did help somewhat. I do not, however, support them or the way they handle things. I prefer to handle things peacefully. I also do not agree with some of the things they say and do. In some ways I believe they try to make people believe that animals should be treated BETTER than humans and I don't agree with that although I do believe they (animals) should be respected. They do offer a ton a valuable information though that I am grateful for and I think they do make a difference in certain ways but I know they also turn a lot of people off. Anyway.... this is just my opinion.

The reason I am veggie is unrelated to Peta (except perhaps that Peta and I would agree that animals suffer and their deaths are not justified). The reason that I am Christian has little to do with Pat Robertson. :D

I've often wondered if by supporting PETA, are vegetarians really just making themselves look bad. Think about it, PETA has a reputation as being an aggressor on par with that of the ACLU. It seems to me that PETA in its self is merely a quandary, which the vegetarian community must deal with. I have had my own doubts in the past couple years whether or not they are to be tolerated or cast aside like the low lives many think they are.

check this out

http://www.veggieboards.com/boards/showthread.php?t=52454

A few bad eggs can ruin the bunch, and there have been some things that DO look bad. Would it really be the organization at fault for peoples actions, or the people themselves? I personally would pin-point the people.
I have been an active member of PETA for a long time. Just because I happen to be a member, doesn't mean that I agree with them 100%. I choose to only stand up for what I think is right, and spread facts are un-biased as possible (hard to do I know :P ). You just have to use common sense.

LuLuBell:shy:

Hmm . . . I suppose in a way they are. Like wiping out domestic animals to make things better for them.

A few bad eggs can ruin the bunch

That doesn't sound right for some reason . . .

Like wiping out domestic animals to make things better for them.Say wha?

Something tells me you should be familiar with the idea of discontinuing domesticated animals by now.

:yes: :yes:
And what does this have to do with nihilism again?

The idea that they (the animals) are better off not existing.

A few bad eggs can ruin the bunch, and there have been some things that DO look bad. Would it really be the organization at fault for peoples actions, or the people themselves? I personally would pin-point the people.
I have been an active member of PETA for a long time. Just because I happen to be a member, doesn't mean that I agree with them 100%. I choose to only stand up for what I think is right, and spread facts are un-biased as possible (hard to do I know :P ). You just have to use common sense.

LuLuBell:shy:
You are ABSOLUTELY right, but how many americans will take the time to think that the person causing an issue that is negative is an 'individual' and not a rep of PETA.
For instance..have you ever gone soemwhere and the person behind the counter treated you like total sh#t? Our normal reaction is to say, 'You Know I went to that Widget Company (example) and it sucked! The person behind the counter was rude and obnoxious! I am never going there again!"
We tend not to just say, 'Oh well. I drove 45 minutes on my day off to go to 'Widget Company and the person behind the counter treated me like sh#t. Ow well, she must of had a bad day. I can't wait to go back'
99% of the time we as humans will not choose the latter.

Peta opened my eyes. I was an omni before them... I think they are a necessary evil because of the new converts they garner. Now I know more and don't need scare tactics, but they were important to me once.

I watched the McCartney programme this week which showed a lot of PETA footage including showing an alsation being skinned alive. They get the message out there of the cruelty that man commits to animals. Their Meet Your Meat video had a massive impact on me too. Their message is strong but I applaud them.

whether you support PeTA or not, they have been the force of change behind many animal cruelty or animal farming practices that were pretty bad. They have made many strides with circuses, animal testing, some farming issues... etc.,
instead of calling them a necessary evil, at least give them credit due. I support many AR organizations.... PeTA gets more done than most.
If you are a true AR person you have to recognize that... I would think.