I am moving to Arizona in two months
does anyone know any veg friendly info about the Tempe/Phoenix area?
anyone need a roomate that has ferrets?

im sorry too hear that. i used to live there. blech. funny i moved from phx to seattle (but now reside in sun diego) and i see you are in seattle moving to phx.
anyway i find it is less veg friendly than seattle but it's allright, of course maybe i am just spoiled b/c of where i live now. phx and tempe are a big city tho so they do have plenty of hfs's and veg options that i find during my visits so you should be allright. good luck youre gonna need it.
on a brighter note, if you like hiking, squaw peak and camel back are pretty good hikes and have awesome views on the days when you can see thru that gray layer that covers the city. :)

I take it Flagstaff isn't an option?

Flagstaff is 157.0 miles away and my goal was to live 6 miles or less from work so i can bicycle or walk to work
whay do you mean by the gray layer, 46 avocados??

I meant that you can see the layer of brownish pollution b/c it’s a valley surrounded by mountains so it just sits there in the city.

is it worse than seattle pollution or better or abt the same
could u breathe there?

Oh yea! You will be able to breathe. I did not even notice it when I was outside, which was often, but yes it is much more polluted then Seattle. Last time I checked phx was the fourth most polluted city in the states. But it is 100,000 times better than Seattle traffic wise.

in looking 4 a list of most polluted cities i found this:
They suggested that people living in the most polluted city, Steubenville in Ohio,were at greater risk of dying young - by 26% - compared with residents of the cleanest city, which was Portage, Wisconsin.

According to the American Lung Association report, the 10 most polluted areas were Los Angeles, Riverside and Orange County in southern California; Bakersfield, Fresno, Visalia, Tulare and Porterville, California; Houston, Galveston and Brazoria, Texas; Atlanta; Merced, California; Knoxville, Tennessee; Charlotte, North Carolina, and neighboring Rockville, South Carolina, and Sacramento, California.

The cleanest big cities included Bellingham, Washington, Colorado Springs, Colorado, and Lincoln, Nebraska.

interesting. when i checked it, pittsburgh (i think) was #1 and LA fell after phx. it was about 3 yrs ago but perhaps it was an inaccurate reading.

I wish I could find an official list

and what does 46 avacadoes mean?
i have found that many in the dumpster a few times
do u like guacamole?

Hoo the heck would throw away 46 avocados :eek: It means that’s how many avocadoes I swiped from my step cousin.

no,I love guac :lick:

Hey, fuzz, i lived in Tempe for a spell. I managed a cafe in a co-op called Gentle Strength Cooperative. Very vegan friendly there, and great folks.

It's on University Drive, just off of Mill Ave.

You'll become very familiar with Mill Ave. :D Every Saturday we had a drum circle on the street, usually starting around 10 or so, and running till 1 to 3 am.

I have a lot of friends on the street there, some homeless, some just spend their time playing music on the sidewalk like I did. I know several vegans and vegetarians there, but unfortunately, having no computers or phones, i have no way to get ahold of a lot of them.

I do talk to five or six though and can tell them to be nice to you.

Also, there's a Whole Foods on Baseline Rd., a little south of Mill, and a Wild Oats somewhere up north near Scottsdale.

It's not a very veggie/organic place in general, other than on Mill, but I'm sure you'll find your way around. Also, Arizona State University borders Mill, so lots of college age kids around, most of them either really cool or else drunk at the bars.

Good Luck! e-mail me for more info!

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And the great part is you're only a couple hours south of beautiful Flagstaff with it's mountains and snow, a little north of Tucson and the Mexican border, and you have all sorts of climates and terrain within two to three hours of driving.

The bus system is pretty bad, by the way. It's not so bad in Tempe (one bus every half hour to an hour on each route), and it does cover a wide area, but in Scottsdale, Glendale, and Phoenix it stops running early and is very limited. And the A/C goes out on them often. I rode 19 miles to work one day with no A/C in traffic jams, on a 112 degree day! I lost three pounds on that trip.

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is AZ racist?
anyone?

Not in that area as far as i've seen.

Scottsdale is pretty snooty sometimes, but they just judged poor people. Tempe is very cool, except the occasional white power representative, christian activist, or pro-marijuana psycho souting their point on the corner.

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Originally posted by fuzzpuddle
is AZ racist?
anyone?

I'm hispanic, and haven't had any racial problems. It could be because I don't really look it, or "act" it. I go to a predominantly white school, too.

But the vegetarian community around here is growing, I'm noticing. Before, I was SO LUCKY to find and vegan anything in the grocery store by my house. They don't have as many fake meats as they used to (maybe a more vegan, rather than lacto-veg community is growing by my neighborhood?) But they have many more options for me to buy now, than they did a year ago. But there are HFS, I just haven't ever gone into one. heh. It also depends on the area you're in, that you'll find more veggie items in a regular grocery store. I just go a little further into Tempe, or the Phoenix suburb of Ahwatukee (about 10 [or less] minutes away) and there are more veggie options.

For instance, around ASU, there are more veggie options, and restaurants, than South, or West Phoenix.

I live on the border of South Phoenix, and Tempe. But like I said, even here, is a growing veggie community. It's getting easier bit, by bit. :)

What area are you moving to exactly?

By the way, fuzzy, I'll ask around about roommates. If you like, e-mail me details about yourself, what you're looking for, what you plan to do as far as work and school, and I'll see if i can match you up with anyone.

In fact I know a girl with a ferret in Phoenix. Maybe you'll fall in love and have Phoenix Ferret kids! Or not.

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What area are you moving to exactly?
it would be tempe near 8160 s hardy dr or as close as i can get

That's not bad, there's a bus route that passes there, but it only runs every hour or so. If you have a bike, there's a good route less than a mile over. I rode my bike everywhere, it's all flat, so very easy. I lived on Baseline rd., 4 miles south of Mill Ave. and ASU, and it was a quick ride.

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i am nervous but any help and knowledge is appreciated

MyOwnPath is right about Gentle Strength. I live in Prescott which is 90 miles north of Phoenix, in between Pheonix and Flag. I go to Gental Strength whenever I can get down there. I've been going almost all my life, it's great! Welcome to AZ!:-)
Skye