Man cannot live wholly on non-veg food for more than
three weeks. If he do so, he has to quit this or suffer .
Because it contains high quantity of acids &
toxins.
Eskimos who survive on non- veg, generally
have the age of 30 years i guess.
Do you have any counter examples for this?

Have you read this somewhere, or are you postulating a theory?

While I'm sure Eskimos have a shorter life expectancy than most I don't think they only live to around 30. I did a google search for life expectancy of eskimos and couldn't find anything supporting that claim. This (http://www.itk.ca/media/backgrounder-health.php) site said life expectancy was typically 10 years younger than most humans. But diet isn't the only factor affecting life expectancy. They're living in harsh conditions without all the medical equipment and care available to most of us.

It is thier living conditions that shorten thier life and not by that much.
Diet wise they are a reasonably healthy people and have very few cases of heart problems or metobolic problems, dieabeties etc.

acids & toxins? Care to be more specific?

Man cannot live wholly on non-veg food for more than
three weeks. If he do so, he has to quit this or suffer .
Because it contains high quantity of acids &
toxins.
Eskimos who survive on non- veg, generally
have the age of 30 years i guess.
Do you have any counter examples for this?
If a person can't live on non-veg food for more than three weeks how does an Eskimo live 30 or more years?:think:

From my Ethnography of the Artic courses, I learned that over time Iinuit peoples evolved to become accustomed to their diet which was very high in protein and fat. Their subsistance hunting and gathering was mainly seal, whale and some berries, and while they did have shorter life expectancies, it was due to many factors, not just dietary. Actually, their life expectancies have gone down in the past 50 years, and this is due to an increasingly sedentary lifestyle and changing dietary patterns. Because processed foods are now available to them which include sugar, which was not part of their previous diet, many inuit have developed the health problems common in the western world like diabetes and heart disease as well as severe dental problems

Man cannot live wholly on non-veg food for more than
three weeks. If he do so, he has to quit this or suffer .
Because it contains high quantity of acids &
toxins.
Eskimos who survive on non- veg, generally
have the age of 30 years i guess.
Do you have any counter examples for this?

Many can't live wholly on vegetables either, at least not without supplemental help.
Or fruit for that matter.
Or grains.
You really can't take just one food group and decide it's the only one you need unless you're planning on some sort of chemical supplement to get you through.
Mary

before the modern era, life expectancy around the world was pretty normalized to around 50 years. some lived longer, some didn't.

diets were and are diverse. some were vegetarian, most were omnivorous, some were 'carnivorous' with very little--if any--vegetable material. most people in arid and semi-arid environments live on meat, blood, and milk. most of these people live in traditional ways and their life expectancies reach the previous expectations (50 yrs or so), with a good number in their populations surpassing that.

Many can't live wholly on vegetables either, at least not without supplemental help.
Or fruit for that matter.
Or grains.
You really can't take just one food group and decide it's the only one you need unless you're planning on some sort of chemical supplement to get you through.
Mary

I don't need any supplements, I am born vegetarian and mostin my community.
We are living on grains, vegetables, fruits. I don't see any need to add meat and blood to my food to supplement.

Do You think vegetarians miss any nutrients.? There are many in Army doing physical hard work and again they are born vegetarians.
In west it is common illussion that if one do not eat meat, then he is missing something and that has to be supplemented by artificial means, say vitamins, or any form of chemical.
It is aboslutely fine with us and my ancestors were born vegetarians too from time immemorable.

But I do strongly feel that a man cannot lead a normal life if he/she has to be on 100% meat or flesh diet.

I wouldn't believe a another group who need to eat snakes, dogs, or drink monkey's raw blood, fried lizard or live rat down their neck , to supplement their desire or
nutrients or taste. (these kind of food groups are prevailing in Singapore, Korea, China, thailand)

I've heard of prisoners in other countries being fed diets of only meat to kill them faster and they died sooner than the ones who chose to fast. I don't remember where I heard this. I wish I could remember!!!!

I don't need any supplements, I am born vegetarian and mostin my community.
We are living on grains, vegetables, fruits. I don't see any need to add meat and blood to my food to supplement.

Do You think vegetarians miss any nutrients.? There are many in Army doing physical hard work and again they are born vegetarians.
In west it is common illussion that if one do not eat meat, then he is missing something and that has to be supplemented by artificial means, say vitamins, or any form of chemical.
It is aboslutely fine with us and my ancestors were born vegetarians too from time immemorable.

But I do strongly feel that a man cannot lead a normal life if he/she has to be on 100% meat or flesh diet.

I wouldn't believe a another group who need to eat snakes, dogs, or drink monkey's raw blood, fried lizard or live rat down their neck , to supplement their desire or
nutrients or taste. (these kind of food groups are prevailing in Singapore, Korea, China, thailand)

Mary said you could not live on one food group without taking additional nutriants.
You are eating from more than one which is why you do not.

Humans cannot live on a carnivorous diet because they cannot meet their vitamin C requirments, as well as many other antioxidants. Meat also contains uric acid, which causes severe stress for the body, especially the excretory system. Meat will clog the intestines which will cause severe illness. A plant and fungus-only diet is survivable because it can supplement every nutrient (vitamin B12 can be obtained from mushrooms, bacteria, and yeast) and is easier on the digestive system. Herbivorous diets do not contain toxins as meat diets do.

The Inuit do not feed on an all- carnivorous diet. They gather cranberries and vegetation in the summer to meet their vitamin C needs. Vitamin C is also found in animals' kidneys and livers, although in unreliable amounts.

I don't need any supplements, I am born vegetarian and mostin my community.
We are living on grains, vegetables, fruits. I don't see any need to add meat and blood to my food to supplement.

Do You think vegetarians miss any nutrients.?

You misunderstood me. I never said you have to eat meat to be healthy.
To be honest, I don't know if *most vegetarians need supplements, I do know that it's pretty hard to eat a balanced diet everyday. Perhaps because your society is so used to being vegetarian the balanced diet is a more natural thing than it is here. In which case you get what you need everyday easily. It's not the case everywhere I can assure you.
Mary

Huh? I had thought that eating a balance diet was a simple thing to do as a vegetarian.

I'm not sure what the point of this thread is. Inuit people traditionally eat a mainly meat diet because if they didn't they would be dead in short order. I'm not sure why a group of people initially decided to live in progressively colder climates (I'm assuming this took place over hundreds of years) but that's where they ended up and if they had decided not to eat meat along the way they would've died.

In the west there is a common misconception that one needs meat in order to obtain all the nutrients one needs but you don't need to convince anyone here that this is indeed a misconception. And the American Dietetic Association and the Dieticians of Canada state together "that appropriately planned vegetarian diets are healthful, nutritionally adequate, and provide health benefits in the prevention and treatment of certain diseases." Those are two mainstream dietary organization in the west who acknowledge that man does not need meat.

What point are you trying to make exactly?

Human being don't need meat to balance nutrients......

Ok, I don't think you'll find anyone here who disagrees...

Right, but to say a person can't live more than 30 days on just meat? Even veg*ns are going to rise up and dispute you. A person can live a very long time on just meat. In crisis situations, they have gone for months.

A long time ago, before veg*n sanity, I was on the Atkins diet which for the first two weeks is nothing but meat. Any kind as much as you want, but nothing else. This is the original Atkins diet, the dark ages edition. I thought I would go insane before that 2 weeks was over. I was ready to eat bark and tree roots-anything other than meat. But it in no way made me sick.

People can live on all-meat diets. I would not say that I would recommend it, but it can be done. (BTW, the burden of proof is on the OP)

I've heard of prisoners in other countries being fed diets of only meat to kill them faster and they died sooner than the ones who chose to fast. I don't remember where I heard this. I wish I could remember!!!!


If you find the source, I would really be interested.

:sunny: :bobo: Its interesting to find this post because I have wondered about it myself from time to time
Even though we tend to forget..... we are animals also and are part of the animal kingdom.

In times of great harvests, mild winter, etc animals tend to proliferate and have a tendency to overpopulate.

Just as in the reverse…….. In times of famine animals tend to die off, the carnivores eat everything in site and scavenge all around.

Could this be a built in mechanism by nature to regulate this…..Population.
When you eat meat your body thinks things are bad and must chemically reduce the population until there is enough… Veggies around to start the cycle again.:hungry:

Another example of humans tinkering with this process…….I just finished reading the cloning post and this sort of plays into this one

just want to note that there are many fantastic threads on this board that address specifically the omni vs veggie diet, what is and what isn't 'required', etc. that may contain exactly what you're looking for.



Man cannot live wholly on non-veg food for more than
three weeks. If he do so, he has to quit this or suffer .
Because it contains high quantity of acids &
toxins.
Eskimos who survive on non- veg, generally
have the age of 30 years i guess.
Do you have any counter examples for this?

I saw this post and thought I would do a bit of web research.

This is from web MD

But there are plenty of skeptics. In an editorial accompanying the article in the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, Katharine Milton, PhD, a biological anthropologist at the University of California at Berkeley, notes that it is unlikely that any hunter-gatherers, regardless of diet, suffered from the diseases of modern civilization. They simply didn't live long enough to develop these illnesses, which are typically associated with old age, she says. What's more, our prehistoric ancestors differed from us in at least one other important way. ''Hunter-gatherers were not on diets,'' Milton says. ''They were trying to put on weight, not take it off."

Like many nutritionists, Milton thinks it's wise to imitate our ancestors and eat plenty of fruits and vegetables. But one thing Americans don't need to do, she believes, is increase animal fat and protein. Gene Spiller, PhD, a Los Altos, Calif., nutritionist and author of Nutrition Secrets of the Ancients, agrees that increasing fruit and vegetable consumption is a good idea. ''Trying to make meat the foundation, even if it's lean, I think is incorrect,'' Spiller says. After all, Paleolithic men and women ate meat only when they were lucky enough to catch it, not every day, he adds.

John Foreyt, PhD, a Baylor College of Medicine weight control expert, also worries about diets that are relatively high in animal fat. ''Dietary fat is still the key to obesity,'' he says. ''Today we get higher fat levels in domesticated animals than did earlier man, who ate wild, leaner ones.''

I would like to post the URL, but the board won't let me! so if you want to read the whole article go to web md and search for Caveman diet.

A dumb man can.

People can live on all-meat diets. I would not say that I would recommend it, but it can be done. (BTW, the burden of proof is on the OP) Given that nutrition is still a science that involves a lot of unknown factors (how does the body really work, which nutrients are really essential, etc), I suppose that to prove or disprove that a human can survive many years on an all-meat diet, we would need a volunteer to try it out. However, even if the test person became sick and eventually died of malnourishment, it could still be argued that he or she was just not eating the right kinds of meat, the meat was not processed correctly or the person did not have the correct genetical makeup etc. Therefore the hypothesis is virtually impossible to disprove. It can however be proved, but I have yet to see any evidence of this.