04/16/06 09:19
Girl-Slain-Oklahoma

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PURCELL, Oklahoma -- Police in Oklahoma say the body of a
10-year-old girl was found in a plastic tub in her neighbour's
closet, and her death was part of his elaborate plan to eat human
flesh.
Chief David Tompkins of Purcell, Oklahoma, says Jamie Rose Bolin
had deep saw marks on her neck and was apparently hit several times
with a wooden cutting board.
Agents removed meat tenderizer and barbecue skewers from his
apartment, one floor down from where the girl lived with her father.
Kevin Ray Underwood was arrested Friday after investigators found
Jamie's body in the closet of a bedroom in his apartment.
The girl's unclothed body was inside a large plastic tub, along
with a towel used to soak up blood.
Police would not say whether the 26-year-old Underwood confessed
to the slaying.
The district attorney plans to file first-degree murder charges
tomorrow and says he'll seek the death penalty.
(AP)
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In another version of this story I read today, it said the 26-yr old accused raped, tortured, beheaded & then prepared to bbq & eat the 10-yr old girl.

But when omnis are complicit/complacent when it comes to identical thoings being done to non-human animals, is this kind of thing really suprising? I predict cannibalism & human torture will become increasingly common as the media & meat eating make it increasingly acceptable to disregard others' suffering & rights.

with the way the system is going, its no big surprise that the upperclass will eventually view the lower class as they do animals.

with the way the system is going, its no big surprise that the upperclass will eventually view the lower class as they do animals.

I'm thinking of the Countess of Bathory (?) who centuries ago bathed in the blood of economically-underprivileged girls & got away w/ it for quite a while.

I am also wondering where expensive skin creams get their human placenta...

But when omnis are complicit/complacent when it comes to identical thoings being done to non-human animals, is this kind of thing really suprising? I predict cannibalism & human torture will become increasingly common as the media & meat eating make it increasingly acceptable to disregard others' suffering & rights.

Um, yeah. This has become so common. :rolleyes:

Did I say it was common now?
No.
I predicted it could become more common with increasing media/meat industry desensitization of the omni public.

Read before you criticize.

Um, yeah. This has become so common. :rolleyes:

Yeah, I'd think its more likely to be the other way around, cannibalism was more common in the past and now its generally regarded by most cultures as being wrong, and if the number of vegetarians is increasing. Then surely we are all moveing away from cannabalism and now towards vegetarianism.

Did I say it was common now?
No.
I predicted it could become more common with increasing media/meat industry desensitization of the omni public.

Read before you criticize.


You just mentioned something worse done centuries ago. Weird **** has always happened, and taking one isolated case and predicting a trend is silly. I know it fits your "all omnis are evil" schtick, but nothing you posted is especially insightful or realistic.

Yeah, I'd think its more likely to be the other way around, cannibalism was more common in the past and now its generally regarded by most cultures as being wrong, and if the number of vegetarians is increasing. Then surely we are all moveing away from cannabalism and now towards vegetarianism.

Cannabilism was never exceptionally common. More often it was isolated in very small areas, although the accusation was often directed at primitive tribes by explorers to make them seem more dangerous and savage.

You just mentioned something worse done centuries ago. Weird **** has always happened, and taking one isolated case and predicting a trend is silly. I know it fits your "all omnis are evil" schtick, but nothing you posted is especially insightful or realistic.

The Countess Bathory thing came to mind only in relation to the secoond post re class & abuse of the poor, & I *really* know where you stand on that one Tame!:moonpie:

I read news daily, & there is an increasing amount of sick sh*t happening to animals & humans. If I'm biased here, then so is every radio station utilizing the wire service news stories.

I think my schtick is more "omni behaviour is evil" not omnis are evil, as my bf, best friend & cat are all omnis, but feel free to extrapolate whatever suits your "organica sucks" schtick.

As for my comment not being insightful or realistic, unless you are psychic I don't know how you can see into the future to determine that.

Once again I find your critique more personal & malicious, & less to do w/ the original post.

But when omnis are complicit/complacent when it comes to identical thoings being done to non-human animals, is this kind of thing really suprising? I predict cannibalism & human torture will become increasingly common as the media & meat eating make it increasingly acceptable to disregard others' suffering & rights.I don't think they have a practical/causal connection, just an ethical one.

I don't think they have a practical/causal connection, just an ethical one.

I think I agree.
I certainly don't believe every omni will eventually cannibalize, but their acceptance of mudering/eating non-humans is ethically close to murdering/eating humans, IMHO.

has anyone seen the prison figures for the amount of violent crimes committed by veg*s? Won't cite them as I don't have the source to hand, but it show the correlation between omnis and violence towards humans.

I read news daily, & there is an increasing amount of sick sh*t happening to animals & humans. If I'm biased here, then so is every radio station utilizing the wire service news stories.

Let's see...higher population, more sensationalist reporting, but no actual evidence there is "more" sick **** than before. Got it.


I think my schtick is more "omni behaviour is evil" not omnis are evil, as my bf, best friend & cat are all omnis, but feel free to extrapolate whatever suits your "organica sucks" schtick.

Will do!


As for my comment not being insightful or realistic, unless you are psychic I don't know how you can see into the future to determine that.

I take "predictions" that are made on actual evidence more seriously than sensationalist, wild ass guesses.


Once again I find your critique more personal & malicious

I found a plastic easter egg from last year under the couch.

I certainly don't believe every omni will eventually cannibalize, but their acceptance of mudering/eating non-humans is ethically close to murdering/eating humans, IMHO.

Yes or no question.
Do you think there is more cannabilism now than 500 years ago?

has anyone seen the prison figures for the amount of violent crimes committed by veg*s? Won't cite them as I don't have the source to hand, but it show the correlation between omnis and violence towards humans.

Um, I would like to see that. I predict I could break destroy that figure in 5 minutes or less.
Note: I don't think dietary preference is commonly listed on crime reports.

Let's see...higher population, more sensationalist reporting, but no actual evidence there is "more" sick **** than before. Got it.

I take "predictions" that are made on actual evidence more seriously than sensationalist, wild ass guesses.

I found a plastic easter egg from last year under the couch.

How about some violent crime stats?
http://www.sfu.ca/~mauser/papers/LondonTower2003/Fig12CDNcrimes.xls.pdf

All violent crimes are sick.

Yes or no question.
Do you think there is more cannabilism now than 500 years ago?

Depends on the geographical area.

no, a friend did the study for a paper at oxford, but i'll try and get the figures, don't think they are public but there must be similar ones on the internet?

oh, you probably could rip them up. It was one jail and not the entire UK prison population, definition of violent etc. But it gives a rough representation

TABLE III:International Violent Crime Rate

Serious Assault Murder
1977 1993 Increase 1977 1993 Increase
Australiaº 21.9 81.3 +3.7 2.8 4.5 +1.6
Belgium 65.9 125.0 +1.9 2.2 3.1 +1.4
Canada¹ 447.0 916.0 +2.0 3.0 2.0 -----
Denmark 78.7 179.0 +2.3 2.5 4.8 +1.9
England-Walesº 163.0 362.0 +2.2 1.4 2.5 +1.8
France 59.8 99.0 +1.7 3.4 4.9 +1.4
Greece 14.4 68.4 +4.8 1.2 2.5 +2.1
Hungary² 45.1 76.9 +1.7 3.5 4.5 +2.1
Netherlands³ 101.1 196.0 +1.9 8.3 27.4 +1.3
New Zealandº 83.4 313.0 +3.8 1.8 4.0 +3.3
Norway 12.8 62.0 +4.8 .7 2.5 +2.2
Scotland† 53.0 123.0 +2.3 8.4 11.4 +3.6
Sweden 17.3 51.1 +3.0 4.8 8.8 +1.8
United States 241.0 440.0 +1.8 8.8 9.5 +1.1



Note: All data represents incidents per 100,000 population, as reported by each nation to Interpol and recorded in Interpol International Crime Statistics, Vols. 1977 to 1994. (Except for Canadian data, as stated below in footnote 1). Different nations use different criteria to define "murder" and "serious assault," therefore ability to use this data to compare between nations is limited, but comparisons of increases within each nation across time is valid. This information was previously reported in a different format in On Killing, © 1996, Dave Grossman.

Laws have insreased/ more laws equals more offences/ more offences equals more prisioners/ dont use international comparisons

Laws have insreased/ more laws equals more offences/ more offences equals more prisioners/ dont use international comparisons

Okey dokey!! I just wanted to show Tame that across the board, violence against humans is up.

This entry from Wikipedia suggests to me that sexualized cannibalism (like in the story I first posted) is catching on as a fetish, whether anyone acts on it or not. It certainly helps normalize such an act in the minds of the unstable, making it seem more likely to happen:

Sexualized cannibalism (fantasies and real)
The wide use of the Internet has highlighted that thousands of people harbor sexualized cannibalistic fantasies. Discussion forums and user groups exist for the exchange of pictures and stories of such fantasies. A good example of such fantasies is provided by the works of Dolcett. Typically, people in such forums fantasize about eating or being eaten by members of their sexually preferred gender. As such, the cannibalism fetish or paraphilia is one of the most extreme sexual fetishes.

Rarely ever do such fetishes leave the realm of fantasies (aided by modern technology for photo modification or completely computer generated images). There have been extreme cases of real life sexualized cannibalism, such as those of the serial killers Albert Fish, Ed Gein, Jeffrey Dahmer, Sascha Spesiwtsew, Fritz Haarmann ("the Butcher of Hannover") and Andrei Chikatilo "The Soviet Hannibal Lecter".

Another well-known case involved a Japanese student of English literature, Issei Sagawa, who grew fond of Renée Hartevelt, a 25-year-old Dutch woman he met while studying at the Sorbonne Academy in Paris in 1981. He eventually murdered and ate her, writing a graphic yet poignant description of the act. Declared unfit to stand trial in France, his wealthy father had him extradited back to Japan where he eventually regained his freedom. The way he reveled in what he did made him a national celebrity, and he has written several bestselling novels and continues to write a nationally syndicated column. The story is the subject of a verse in the 1986 Rolling Stones song "Too Much Blood" and the 1981 Stranglers song "La Folie".

In December 2002, a highly unusual case was uncovered in the town of Rotenburg in Hesse, Germany. In 2001 Armin Meiwes, a 41-year-old computer administrator, had posted messages like his more recent ones (see messages) in Internet newsgroups on the subject of cannibalism, repeatedly looking for "a young Boy, between 18 and 30 y/o" to butcher. At least one of his requests was successful: Jürgen B., another computer administrator, offered himself to be slaughtered. The two men agreed on a meeting. Jürgen B. was, with his consent, killed and partially eaten by Armin M. Meiwes, who, as a result, was sentenced to eight-and-a-half years in jail for manslaughter (Totschlag, less than murder but more than killing on demand). The band Rammstein took up this case in the song Mein Teil. In April 2005, the courts ordered a retrial upon appeal of the prosecution.

This was not the first consensual killing mediated through the Internet, but it is the first such known case of consensual cannibalism.

How about some violent crime stats?
http://www.sfu.ca/~mauser/papers/LondonTower2003/Fig12CDNcrimes.xls.pdf

All violent crimes are sick.


Um, that doesn't even remotely prove your point. Thanks!

Okey dokey!! I just wanted to show Tame that across the board, violence against humans is up.

This entry from Wikipedia suggests to me that sexualized cannibalism (like in the story I first posted) is catching on as a fetish, whether anyone acts on it or not. It certainly helps normalize such an act in the minds of the unstable, making it seem more likely to happen:

Violence against humans does not = sexualized torture and cannabilism. Thanks though.

Also, no where does what you posted show that this "fetish" is catching on.

But it gives a rough representation

Honestly, it doesn't. You can't extrapolate like that. You also can't point to one factor (i.e. diet) and then make the comparison. Too many other variables come into play when looking at violent crime statistics.

Honestly, it doesn't. You can't extrapolate like that. You also can't point to one factor (i.e. diet) and then make the comparison. Too many other variables come into play when looking at violent crime statistics.
Fair enough, one would expect that it would apply more universally but it would be interesting to see some more inclusive figures.

Fair enough, one would expect that it would apply more universally but it would be interesting to see some more inclusive figures.


The problem is that veg*nism isn't widely enough distributed across race, class, and cultural backgrounds.
Let's be honest, you won't find many health conscious types, like those drawn to veg*nism, dealing crack or cocaine. To try and compare across a large population based on a marginal criteria like veg*nism doesn't make a lot of sense. In the US, only 2-3% of the population is considered veg*n, so to try and make draw any valid conclusions based on a group that small while working within another small sample (prison population) is not likely to give a valid result.