You know I've heard this time and time again in the last few weeks. Apparently if one is against illegal immigration then you are immediately branded a racist. And I think it's terribly unfortunate that one can't support American laws and try to discourage something that is illegal and not be pointed at and called a rascist.

I believe that 90% of illegal immigrants are Mexican. I think that granting amnesty to illegals is rascist to be honest. Because there are thousands, millions of people - from Mexico and other countries - trying to migrate to the US legally and by allowing amnesty to illegals, it's a set back to those who are trying to follow the laws.

As far as the economy collapsing because no one would do the work. Give me a break. I know plenty of legal immigrants who come here and are just as eager to work at anything they can be doing.

I just don't get a country rewarding people for doing something that is clearly against the law.

i agree that being against illegal immigration is not racism.

I think that granting amnesty to illegals is rascist to be honest..

but how is granting amnesty racist?:confused: perhaps unfair, but i don't see how it's racist.

i agree that being against illegal immigration is not racism.



but how is granting amnesty racist?:confused: perhaps unfair, but i don't see how it's racist.
don't see it myself, but I guess since most illegals are hispanic and for the most part mostly hispanics will be benefiting from an amnesty it could be construed as racism since other ethnic groups will not be benefitting from said action.

In away having spanish as a second language is a form a racism, they don't have Russian, Italian, or whatever other languange in banks etc, for those ethnic groups who are forced to learn english if they want to get of their house without an interperter.

don't see it myself, but I guess since most illegals are hispanic and for the most part mostly hispanics will be benefiting from an amnesty it could be construed as racism since other ethnic groups will not be benefitting from said action.



Yes, that's what I meant. Sorry I didn't elaborate.

Yes, that's what I meant. Sorry I didn't elaborate.
i still don't see it as racist. regardless of how small the non-hispanic/latino illegal immigrant group is, those people will still benefit from the amnesty. and i doubt the motive behind granting amnesty is that illegal immigrants are mostly latinos. btw, why do you believe that 90% of illegal immigrants are mexican? is that just your belief or did you read it somewhere? link please. i'm not saying they aren't, i just want facts.:)

i still don't see it as racist. regardless of how small the non-hispanic/latino illegal immigrant group is, those people will still benefit from the amnesty. and i doubt the motive behind granting amnesty is that illegal immigrants are mostly latinos. btw, why do you believe that 90% of illegal immigrants are mexican? is that just your belief or did you read it somewhere? link please. i'm not saying they aren't, i just want facts.:)
I personally don't know if it is that high, however since we in the US have a northern border with Canada, and a southern border with Mexico and the rest is ocean; and we are not discussing putting a fence up along the Canadian border, one could guess that 90% or more of illegal immigrants are coming across the Mexican border, and unless they are swimming across the Atlantic or Pacific to get to Central and South America first; they would have to be of hispanic/latino descent; one would think anyway.

A. You know I've heard this time and time again in the last few weeks. Apparently if one is against illegal immigration then you are immediately branded a racist.

B. I believe that 90% of illegal immigrants are Mexican. I think that granting amnesty to illegals is rascist to be honest. Because there are thousands, millions of people - from Mexico and other countries - trying to migrate to the US legally and by allowing amnesty to illegals, it's a set back to those who are trying to follow the laws.

C. As far as the economy collapsing because no one would do the work. Give me a break. I know plenty of legal immigrants who come here and are just as eager to work at anything they can be doing.

D. I just don't get a country rewarding people for doing something that is clearly against the law.

A. well i've been called a racist for all kinds of silly things...in the white traditionalist thread i was called a racist because i thought the op had no point...i said once in the vegans with guns thread that i thought cops were not to be trusted because of all the corruption i've seen on the local news...since i live in atlanta, and many of atlanta cops are black, i must be a racist...people toss that around often when they've run out of real arguments

B. while the policy would benefit those mainly from one specific race i'd not call the policy racist because i think the intention is not to be biased towards once specific race although this latest issue is sure biased towards that specific population...i'd say being for it is not any more racists than being against it, and that whatever logic you use goes both ways

C. true, and what's more is that poorly educated americans need those jobs, and it would be best if they made a decent wage...illegals willing to work for slave wages drive down the wages and makes it extremely hard for americans to live if they are only qualified to do those jobs.

D. neither do i. if the system is flawed, then maybe a revamp is in order, but in the opinion of myself and many other americans, the system is not flawed. the process by which we judge whether or not it is flawed, and the process by which we effect or don't effect changes to the system need to follow democratic protocols imo.

let's leave it to the next presidential election, and add it to the ballot. as it is now it's only a tiny minority of the country that is making a big stink about it...and much of that tiny minority actually have no right to an opinion on the subject since they are not legal citizens, and have no voting rights.

please, i'm begging you all...no more threads on this, these threads are making baby heysoos cry :cry:

I personally don't know if it is that high, however since we in the US have a northern border with Canada, and a southern border with Mexico and the rest is ocean; and we are not discussing putting a fence up along the Canadian border, one could guess that 90% or more of illegal immigrants are coming across the Mexican border, and unless they are swimming across the Atlantic or Pacific to get to Central and South America first; they would have to be of hispanic/latino descent; one would think anyway.
i searched up to date percentage, but all i found is info dated October 2005:

http://www.ocregister.com/ocregister/news/homepage/article_716906.php

according to this report, mexican illegal immigrants made up 86% of all illegal immigration then. the article also states "illegal immigration is increasing rapidly from countries other than Mexico".

i searched up to date percentage, but all i found is info dated October 2005:

http://www.ocregister.com/ocregister/news/homepage/article_716906.php

according to this report, mexican illegal immigrants made up 86% of all illegal immigration then. the article also states "illegal immigration is increasing rapidly from countries other than Mexico".
Here's a link for you, scroll tothe bottom:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3375327.stm#map

though Mexicans make up the larget percentage of illegal immigrants the largest percentage overall is hispanic/latino. With a few Chinese and other asians being smuggled in by cargo ships stashed in containers.

I heard 90% on a radio show I was listening to. And 86% is pretty close.

Why shouldn't illegal immigration increase for other countries as well . . . stay here for five years illegally and you get citizenship. Brilliant.

uhhh that link says 60% which is far below 90%. A more recent study by Dr. Frank Bean and Cal Irving says 56%.

Ooh, one of my favorite topics. ;)

The reason why this is a race issue is because people make it a race issue. They aren't opposed to letting white people into the country, they are opposed to letting hispanic people into the country. We have a double standard when it comes to immigration and the policies are rooted in racism that makes it easy for people from predominately rich predominately white countries to immigrate legally but makes it nearly impossible for people from hispanic countries to do the same. As far as I'm concerned there is very little difference between xenophobia and racism.

Ooh, one of my favorite topics. ;)

The reason why this is a race issue is because people make it a race issue. They aren't opposed to letting white people into the country, they are opposed to letting hispanic people into the country. We have a double standard when it comes to immigration and the policies are rooted in racism that makes it easy for people from predominately rich predominately white countries to immigrate legally but makes it nearly impossible for people from hispanic countries to do the same. As far as I'm concerned there is very little difference between xenophobia and racism.I really don't see what you're talking about, the quota system (no more than 7% of immigration worldwide) seems weighted against high population countries like china and india but not mexico which only has about 100 million people. I think you might be talking about an older immigration system, the one used back in the 20's and before, that one seemed to have a preference for western europeans. Whatever the situation it should be easier to immigrate legally than illegally, it allows terrorists and other criminals come in and hide easily when thousands of other people that just want a decent job break the law also.

Ooh, one of my favorite topics. ;)

The reason why this is a race issue is because people make it a race issue. They aren't opposed to letting white people into the country, they are opposed to letting hispanic people into the country. We have a double standard when it comes to immigration and the policies are rooted in racism that makes it easy for people from predominately rich predominately white countries to immigrate legally but makes it nearly impossible for people from hispanic countries to do the same. As far as I'm concerned there is very little difference between xenophobia and racism.
Okay then how does your line of reasoning relate to Spanish now appearing as a second choice of languange for most transactions where it be at a debit machine or calling comcast's customer service depts. One would think if we were being racist against hispanics we would not make it easier for them to communicate but harder.

Okay then how does your line of reasoning relate to Spanish now appearing as a second choice of languange for most transactions where it be at a debit machine or calling comcast's customer service depts. One would think if we were being racist against hispanics we would not make it easier for them to communicate but harder.
They want their money. They want them to speak English only, but not enough to actually lose business over it.

I really don't see what you're talking about, the quota system (no more than 7% of immigration worldwide) seems weighted against high population countries like china and india but not mexico which only has about 100 million people. I think you might be talking about an older immigration system, the one used back in the 20's and before, that one seemed to have a preference for western europeans. Whatever the situation it should be easier to immigrate legally than illegally, it allows terrorists and other criminals come in and hide easily when thousands of other people that just want a decent job break the law also.
I'm talking about the ability to get into the country. The laws make it easy for Canadians to immigrate legally, but very difficult for Mexicans to immigrate legally. The only Mexicans we will take willingly are the rich ones who are already fluent in english. The ones that need our help the most have no chance at entering the country legally and must seek other means.

I'm talking about the ability to get into the country. The laws make it easy for Canadians to immigrate legally, but very difficult for Mexicans to immigrate legally. The only Mexicans we will take willingly are the rich ones who are already fluent in english. The ones that need our help the most have no chance at entering the country legally and must seek other means.

Seems that maybe a better approach would be figuring out how to get a country that we share a border with to help it's own citizens.

>>Seems that maybe a better approach would be figuring out how to get a country that we share a border with to help it's own citizens.>>

This would require a severe restructuring of international finance and multinational investment.

ebola

This would require a severe restructuring of international finance and multinational investment.

ebola

I suspect some internal reforms and restructuring would be a even better place to start.

Well, in the Mexican case, the program of neoliberal restructuring and neoliberal "development" occurred due to influence of international finance institutions (principally the IMF and WTO) (Per Ngaire Woods, 2001, I believe).

ebola

Seems that maybe a better approach would be figuring out how to get a country that we share a border with to help it's own citizens.
Eh maybe so. Free trade and outsourcing are a good start. But in the meantime...

I'm talking about the ability to get into the country. The laws make it easy for Canadians to immigrate legally, but very difficult for Mexicans to immigrate legally. The only Mexicans we will take willingly are the rich ones who are already fluent in english. The ones that need our help the most have no chance at entering the country legally and must seek other means.There's a greater tendency towards mexicans violating our immigration laws than canadians, that's why they need a visa to enter compared to Canada. There is some special consideration towards skilled workers entering the US, that's not a dig at any specific country and is very helpful to some countries that are relatively poor but have skilled people (India and Russia for example).

There's a large Somali community where i live (Columbus, OH), seems like Mexicans aren't really the most downtrodden people in need of a decent job. Having people flee Mexico isn't really going to improve Mexico, didn't work with Cuba either.

They want their money. They want them to speak English only, but not enough to actually lose business over it.
Well that theory doesn't make a lot of sense; why didn't they do the same thing for Italian immigrants, or the Chinese immigrants, or the Vietnamese, Russians, French, Germans, Poles, etc..... I am sure the same businesses want those immigrants money too.

Unless your suggesting we are being racist against everyone but hispanics.

I don't understand what you mean.

ok--i'm not good at debating at all, but i live in the southern valley near phoenix and i can tell you from my experience that, here, it is very racial ...just got a racist flyer stuck in my door this morning!
the laws do need reform, but in a different way--and no, i don't have THE ANSWER, but people only want a better life and they would do it legally if they could (they don't want to be illegal and living in fear)...
and, the difference b/w the canadian and mexican borders has to do with the economy of those parts of those countries...