I probably shouldn't post this, but ... there you go http://www.fundforanimals.org/furtrim/tanuki.html (warning... very explicit).



Humans... :(

There are no words...

The people who do these things do not deserve to be called human beings. They have lost the privilege of using this title.

The people who filmed this in order for the world to know are heros. The screams of the animals must haunt their sleep though.

There are no words...

I just watched Earthlings. Thats enough for me, cant cope with seeing more.

I just watched Earthlings. Thats enough for me, cant cope with seeing more.

There is indeed a limit to what we can cope with. Don't watch this.

Christians say "forgive them for they know not what they do". I find no forgiveness in my heart. Just a desperate emptiness and sadness and something that is akin to horror.

I strongly advise people who are very sensitive NOT to watch this video. It is heartbreaking. The only reason I made it to the end was because I was sort of paralysed for a couple of minutes. My brain sort of switched to "unable to react" mode.

one of the peta anti fur video uses the same clip. i showed it to a couple of my friends who were parading around with their new fur trimmed boots (not only are they made of dead animals, but they look totally stupid - who creates these fashions?). One of them took the boots back, but the other one just doesnt care. how can anyone not be horrified by that?

There is indeed a limit to what we can cope with. Don't watch this.

Christians say "forgive them for they know not what they do". I find no forgiveness in my heart. Just a desperate emptiness and sadness and something that is akin to horror.

I strongly advise people who are very sensitive NOT to watch this video. It is heartbreaking. The only reason I made it to the end was because I was sort of paralysed for a couple of minutes. My brain sort of switched to "unable to react" mode.
But isn't the point that they do know what they do? They just don't CARE, cuz not caring makes them money. Like, how most of the people who work in the 'animal proccessing' industries are those with criminal tendencies or low income otherwise...But still, what the heck, those people are WARPED.:spew: Poor animals!

That's one of the few videos that makes you ashamed to be part of the human specie.

Still, it informs people on what's going on and some might decide not to buy items made with fur or leather.

But isn't the point that they do know what they do?

I think they don't know. I think they don't recognise that the animal is a living being and feels pain and emotion. If they realised this, they could not do it.

They must surely be emotionally and intellectually handicapped. Or are they psychopaths???

I'm trying to find a reason here that a human being would do this for a living.

I've been thinking all day about this video and I feel so empty... it's like something died in me today. I've seen other gruesome videos, but this one really affected me and life will never be the same again.

:worried: i don't want to look...

That is disgusting (well the 2 seconds i watched.)
How can the racoon still be alive though? Its fur is being ripped off its body.
I really cant imagine a person without skin still living.
I hope it's brain shuts down so it doesn't feel pain anymore. Otherwise that would be excruciating (sp?).

oh, the racoon clip, thats been posted on here before i think...i haven't watched it though...

oh, the racoon clip, thats been posted on here before i think...i haven't watched it though...


Yeah its the video for the famous peta ad about the racoon that is still blinking after being skinned. i went back and watched the whole thing.

But isn't the point that they do know what they do? They just don't CARE, cuz not caring makes them money. Like, how most of the people who work in the 'animal proccessing' industries are those with criminal tendencies or low income otherwise...But still, what the heck, those people are WARPED.:spew: Poor animals!

Bethany, your comment on people who work in the 'animal processing' industries being people with criminal tendencies or low income is, well, ignorant. I don't mean to attack, but I don't think it does any good to spread privlege-based stereotypes and straight-up lies. I'd suggest reading The Jungle by Sinclair Lewis. Sure, its a little out-dated, but still very relevant.

If you are in the US, most of the people working in the 'animal processing' industries are immigrants. many of them are illegal immigrants. if you content that being immigrants makes them criminally minded, then i'm afraid we'll have to have a different conversation on racism.

Animal processing is considered the most dangerous job in the US. Why? because there are more on-the-job injuries than any other. (although i believe that mining has more deaths per year). Those working in animal processing are usually those that can be easily manipulated (for instance, threatening to call INS if they don't continue working a horrible job at crappy wages) and, as you said, low income. Now growing up in a working class household I greatly disagree with what seems to be a very negative attitude towards low income people. This only makes me assume that you come from a middle to upper-middle class background. In which case we come from two different cultures and another seperate conversation would need to be had for further understanding.

Back to the point.... animal processing is also one of the job markets with the highest turn-over rate. Why? Because its disgusting, de-humanizing, and degrading work. In fact, I've heard numerous stories of people who worked in animal processing turn vegetarian or even vegan after their experiences in the field. Obviously this doesn't happen with everyone. Others learn to give in to the flow of the speciesist culture that dominates this planet and disassociate themselves from the suffering of the animals. Anyone who thinks they are above these people, I'm sorry but you're wrong. You may have a better grasp on compassionate diet, and you may never find yourself having to get a job that exploits or murders animals, but that doesn't mean you don't benefit from the exploitation and slaughter of animals. We all do.

If you ask me, its not the workers that we need to attack. After all, I'm sure most if not all of them would be more than happy to take another, more compassionate job if it paid the same or more. If you need a target, attack the market that creates the jobs. Shut down the breeders. Shut down the stores. Shut down the magazines and tv shows that tell us that fur is hot.

You can attack workers all you want. But as long as we live in a world where labor is expendable, workers will always come a dime a dozen. And any one that you attack will be easily replaced.

excellent points.

I think they don't know. I think they don't recognise that the animal is a living being and feels pain and emotion. If they realised this, they could not do it.

They must surely be emotionally and intellectually handicapped. Or are they psychopaths???

I'm trying to find a reason here that a human being would do this for a living.
I reckon it's desensitisation and conditioning from a young age. The same way that most of the citizens of the slave-holding nations years ago didn't 'feel' it mattered so much what happened to those of another race. They'd been taught not to to feel it, and because they couldn't feel injustice they thought it wasn't there. Likewise, it used to be so obvious that men could do what they wished with women (unless they 'belonged' to another man who objected). While few in our current society are conditioned (to this extent at least) to switch off whenever the suffering is occuring in a being these genetic distances from us, I bet even on this forum almost no one is unprejudiced when the genetic difference is on a species level. How could we not be? Rationally, many of us worked out from a young age that species shouldn't matter. But emotionally? I for example, can bear to sit while others eat non-human meat. If I saw someone eat human meat, I imagine I would be physically sick. Unlike some remaining cannibal tribes, I've not been brought up to regard humans as food provided they're not a family member. I have been brought up to regard non-human meat as food, because it's not a species member. The challenge is to get people to question their emotions or lack of, and instead rely on reason, which has allowed people for millenia to reject the attitudes of their day, despite violence and discrimination being all around them.

I'd say psychopathy was feeling no remorse even when you haven't been desensitised to that actual form of violence or conditioned by culture. So a cannibal in our society could be called a psychopath for not caring what harm they cause, but in a tribe where it's normal behaviour, you wouldn't diagnose psychopathy because it's just one aspect of suffering that most of them willingly inflict, so is presumably a response that most 'normal', not naturally psychopathic humans, would make in those circumstances. The same rule would then apply to our Western society's attitude to meat. Perhaps, in completely vegetarian communities, to eat our meats (non-human ones) could be indicative of psychopathy? Because they wouldn't have been brainwashed to see non-humans as fair game, so their behaviour would not a 'normal' (typical) response to their circumstances.

I've been thinking all day about this video and I feel so empty... it's like something died in me today. I've seen other gruesome videos, but this one really affected me and life will never be the same again.
I felt like that after watching Peta's video of a kosher slaughtered cow. Even the same sentiment: something died in me. Like my innocence. I'm OK now though - sleeping on it really helps. Just remember you're more able to help the oppressed when you keep enjoying your own life, than if you get depressed about what you can't change. :)

Have you read the Chinese government's statement on this video? Google "chinese fur farms" and it will come up somewhere.

This is so repulsive I am suprised there isn't a louder outcry.

The fur video breaks my heart. I couldn't stop crying after watching it. I had nightmares that night. Nothing has ever terrified me more than this. Even thinking about it makes my stomach churn. Nobody should ever have to see that, but, yet again, everyone should watch it. Than maybe some people would change their minds about fur.

Have you read the Chinese government's statement on this video? Google "chinese fur farms" and it will come up somewhere.

Yeah, here's a link. interesting. but how can a video be fake? they use such lame excuses.

http://ch.chineseembassy.org/ger/4/t185836.htm

The fur farmers don't give a damn about the animal's welfare. It's all about money and reaping as much fur as possible! That article makes me sick!

The fur video breaks my heart. I couldn't stop crying after watching it. I had nightmares that night.
This is the dog/racoon dog footage from Taiwan? I had the same reaction. I can watch Meet Your Meat, fully understanding that what's depicted is the tip of the iceberg, and still function. I watch gory horror flicks all the time. When I watched this footage, though, it brought tears to my eyes and nightmares to my restless sleep for most of a week.
Yeah, here's a link. interesting. but how can a video be fake? they use such lame excuses.
The Chinese government (whichever China we're talking about) is widely documented as lying, distorting facts, and pretty much showing disregard for anything that lives. There's no way this footage is fake.
I reckon it's desensitisation and conditioning from a young age.
Absolutely - just as so many of us were fed meat as kids.

This video was shot undercover by a Swiss animal right advocacy (I forget what it's called) in the Hebei provinice of China.


The Chinese government (whichever China we're talking about) is widely documented as lying, distorting facts, and pretty much showing disregard for anything that lives. There's no way this footage is fake.


Yea, because of this I have been boycotting anything made in China for almost a year. This includes Wal-Mart, Google and any other big corporations who are making deals with them.

It's not hard to believe, though, that on top of their destruction of the environment, taking over Tibet and other nearby countries, telling women that the only way they can be beautiful is changing every inch of themselves via plastic surgery (a detailed article in a recent copy of Marie Claire magazine) and dehumanizing their citezens by taking away any civil rights they might have, they are also treating their animals in a manner that could easily be considered satanic.

Anyone else who wants to join me to stop this visit:
hsus.org/press_and_publications/press_releases/us_retailers_chinese_fur_farms.html
pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/walmart/secrets/wmchina.html
boycottmadeinchina.org

Thanks

I hope it's brain shuts down so it doesn't feel pain anymore. Otherwise that would be excruciating (sp?).

I don't think I can handle watching the video, but I get the jist of it from reading the thread.
I also hope that the animal's brain is in a state in which it doesn't feel any pain. A friend of mine was shot in the leg. He says that there isn't really any pain because it goes completely numb right away. Also, I know this sounds crazy but, a co-worker of mine was stabbed over 20 times in the arms and torso when a crackhed broke into her home, and she survived. She claims that she didn't feel the pain at all because her mind was in a state of dull shock and she basically went numb. Maybe making these comparisons is stupid, but hopefully the animal also felt no pain.

:wall: Augh! Why the hell must I be human?! I got sick from watching this, my mom as well. :drool: :whip:

if you look at my profile I may seem like this 'strong and tough guy', but let me tell you - the thought of watching this video is making me sooo sad and ready to cry. I am sitting here at my desk at the gym reading the posts and am getting sick to my stomach.
I can only imagine what I would feel like if I watched the video.
I have never watched any animal cruelty videos, but reading only parts of what happens to these defenseless creatures, makes me sick! How can a person do such things? Yes, I truly believe that each and every person that works at slaughter houses, hunts or works where animals are treated badly has some sort of mental problem. How can't they?
I love the look that my cats give me...the look that my dog gives me when I am petting her..her head rubs against my leg or my chest..the cats purrrrr when I pet them...they look right in my eyes as I do theirs and I ALWAYS think of the poor, poor animals getting slaughtered and tortured as I am petting them......the only difference between them is that my animals are fortunate to be with me and the others.....well.....it is very unfortunate that they got chosen this life.......
Pet your animals tonight and give them a huge & a kiss for their distance friends that they will never know or will we
enough said

i cant bare to watch it, the description is bad enough. i would never ever ever do that to anything.... i do not know how people can do that to a living animal. the people who do that, should have it done to themselves, and even that doesnt seem enough... i cannot forgive anyone who does that, i hope they pay for what they have done.