Does anyone know if Seventh Generation products are better for the environment, and if the company is on the level? I almost hope they're not, because ZOMG they're expensive. :(

Yes, they're better for the environment.
Yes, they're on the level.

Don't look at the prices of things when you buy them.

Of course I'm going to look at the prices of things when I buy them. I just want to ensure that my money is well spent.

As far as I know, they're on the level, and yeah, they're expensive, but the price would go down, if more people bought their products. And yes, I buy their products. To me, it's worth it if animals don't suffer to make it.

Good news: they now sell them at Target. I don't remember the prices, but I know they were less than Whole Foods Market..........

They weren't this expensive in the States; I was stunned when I saw the price in my supermarket (a chain supermarket, not a little independently owned store). $16 for a box of dishwashing detergent?!? Come on!

Hmm...Medesha. You might try www.drugstore.com (click on the link to the "natural store". I find 7th Gen products pretty inexpensively around here at chain stores, so that sucks. I like their dishwashing soap, but especially the laundry detergent. :yes:

Hm, that's a good idea. Even with shipping to Canada it might work out cheaper (especially with how strong our dollar is now). Thanks!

Love Seventh Generation! I buy their stuff for toilet paper, paper towels, garbage bags, dish detergent, whatever I can!!!! Is it expensive? I've never bought anything else so I couldn't compare. I think it's worth it. I don't want to have crazy chemicals all over my house and on my dishes, so it seems worth my money to pay for eco-friendly dish soap.

I recently bought some of the cleaning products from a website. A woman out of Ohio runs it. http://www.vegangoods.com If you spend a certain amount ($15, I think) you can also choose a free gift -- like a "go vegan" bumper sticker or a vegan energy powder, etc...

Personally I like the cleaning products, but the toilet paper is too rough and too thin. I'd rather use the 100% recycled 2-ply from Trader Joe's.

ETA: ooops. The website I gave you sells Ecos and Earth Friendly products. I do have some Seventh Generation products. I guess I bought them at my grocery store (Martin's).

That's good news about Target.

As far as I know, they're on the level, and yeah, they're expensive, but the price would go down, if more people bought their products. And yes, I buy their products. To me, it's worth it if animals don't suffer to make it.


Ditto, :deal:

I'll have to check Target here, it's a lot more convient than waiting for my monthly visit to whole foods.

I buy them, they even sell them at my regular grocery store. I actually see them on sale sometimes, which is great! I buy their toilet paper in bulk and when on sale if possible (they sell an 8 pack), I use their diswashing detergent, and when I threw a party once which really REQUIRED paper plates (I didn't own enough plates!!), I bought theirs. :-)

I recently signed up for their email newsletters, and just got the latest one:

THE NON-TOXIC TIMES, The Seventh Generation Newsletter
Vol. 7, No. 4 February 2006

We’re excited to announce that we will be updating our website this month! We ask for your patience as we make some enhancements to the site. If you have trouble opening the links in this email please visit www.seventhgeneration.com to read this issue of The Non-Toxic Times.

We’re Moving On Down the Block
A Few Thoughts from Jeffrey Hollender, President

Last year, with your help, we grew over 35%. Now when companies grow all kinds of things happen. Mostly what happens is that there’s more to do. And when there’s more to do you need more staff to do it. That, in a nutshell, pretty much describes 2005 for Seventh Generation. We had a lot more to do and brought a lot more people on board to lend a helping hand. Of course, all of those people have to sit somewhere. They need desks and phones, conference rooms, places to eat lunch and more, and that’s where we ran into trouble. That’s when we knew we had to move.

The boxes are packed. The moving van is waiting. It’s time to go. Come and see where we’re headed:
http://www.seventhgeneration.com/site/pp.asp?c=coIHKTMHF&b=1402733

Stem Them Chems: Important New Declaration Demands Safer Science

If you’re going to walk away from our newsletter with just one idea, we think it should be this one: “Boy, a lot of those man-made chemicals sure are kind of gross and icky and unhealthy. We should probably be a lot more careful with a lot more of ‘em.” That’s our ultimate point, and it’s this very idea that lies at the heart of an important new declaration created by a new network of experts, organizations, and concerned citizens.

It’s called the Louisville Charter, and you can charter a virtual trip to read all about it right here:
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Dust-Bustin’ Phthalates Phound by Physicians To Phoster Asthma in Kids

They’re baaaaaaaaack. And they’re just as unavoidably unphun (not to mention impossibly unpronounceable) as ever. We’re talking about phthalates (“fuh-thow-lates”), a class of chemical compounds used in a wide variety of consumer and children’s products. Phthalates have been linked to all kinds of unhealthy unpleasantness in the past. Now a study has connected them to the scourge of childhood asthma sweeping the nation.

Breathlessly awaiting the chance to phind out more? See what’s news in the world of phthalates and what you can do about it: http://www.seventhgeneration.com/site/pp.asp?c=coIHKTMHF&b=1402733

Wow Jones! Goldman Sacks Waste and the Planet Profits

If you ask us, the financial services industry is quite possibly the least socially responsible on terra firma. Financing the world’s biggest, baddest businesses, not to mention pollution and destruction of all kinds, they’ve created a fiscal climate that puts short term gains at any and all costs ahead of everything else. Is there any hope? With one of the world’s largest brokerage firms putting a new kind of eco- in the nation’s economic scene, you can bank on it.

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Seventh Generation Wins PETA Trail Blazer Award for Its Animal Instincts

When it comes to animal testing, we’ve got just one word: Nope. We don’t like it. We don’t do it. And we think those still engaged in this barbaric practice should stop immediately if not sooner. There are plenty of technologies we can and do use instead to verify the safety of our products, and there’s no excuse whatsoever for torturing bunnies and others in the name of commerce or anything else for that matter. Frankly, when it comes to animal testing, we’ve got an attitude. And now we’ve got an award to show for it.

It’s enough to make us growl, squeak, and chirp for joy. See what’s just been hung on the wall of the zoo we call our office: http://www.seventhgeneration.com/site/pp.asp?c=coIHKTMHF&b=1402733

Follow This Paper Trail to an On-Line Guide to Household Tissues

When it comes to buying healthier paper products, it’s easy to get bewildered by all the options that are (finally) available. Post-consumer or pre-consumer? PCF or ECF? FSC certified or not? What do these things mean? Which brands are the best and which aren’t? A new web feature from the NRDC straightens it all out.

Here’s a web site that looks real good on paper. Visit this link to see why it’s worth far more than the paper it isn’t printed on: http://www.seventhgeneration.com/site/pp.asp?c=coIHKTMHF&b=1402733

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If you’re living green, you’ll want to visit this link for the magazine that makes life a whole lot easier:
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I remember the first time I saw Seventh Generation toilet paper.... something about the name as a brand for toilet paper just seemed wrong ;-)

Don't look at the prices of things when you buy them.
Glad you can afford to do that... :|

Glad you can afford to do that... :|
If people are more wise about buying things they need (like toilet paper) and not buying things that they want (a new pair of pants, despite already owning many pairs of pants) then they could afford to be a lot more choosey as to which toilet paper they can afford. So, yes, not everyone can afford to simply not look at the pricetag, however everyone can afford to rearrange their priorities.

Seventh Generation is expensive, but often, you get more out of it than other brands. When using the laundry detergent I find that the box lasts longer than other brands and their toilet paper rolls often have 2 times the amount of toilet paper on them than the cheapest brands!

The company is from Vermont, as am I, and in that newsletter they said they were moving--which scared me because I assumed they'd move out of Vermont. However, they not only stayed in Vermont, they moved to a location in downtown Burlington so that their employees wouldn't have to commute! So that definitely sounds like a responsible company to me.

(Though they did say they were next to a "bustling" interstate, and I have to admit, Vermont doesn't have any of those! :D)

Glad you can afford to do that... :|

It's not really a question of being able to afford it or not. I'm not "well off", if that's what you mean. But everyone's time and effort has some value to it, and I'm not for wasting it by shopping around. I just buy what I like. When I'm out of money in my weekly budget, I stop buying. Sure I might do without things now and then for a period of time as a result, but I think I'm less stressed by not concerning myself with prices. And it's a good feeling to be using products that I consider to be the ones I want in terms of quality.

It's not really a question of being able to afford it or not. I'm not "well off", if that's what you mean. But everyone's time and effort has some value to it, and I'm not for wasting it by shopping around. I just buy what I like. When I'm out of money in my weekly budget, I stop buying. Sure I might do without things now and then for a period of time as a result, but I think I'm less stressed by not concerning myself with prices. And it's a good feeling to be using products that I consider to be the ones I want in terms of quality.
I would hope that doesn't apply to toilet paper :moonpie: But really though, I'm just saying that it is expensive, and not everyone can afford that. I'm not saying you're rich, but you can buy those things(which is fine I'm not saying you shouldn't), just not everyone can afford higher quality products. I think people here tend to forget that at times.

Glad you can afford to do that... :|
You can justify it any way yu want, some of us would rather pay a few more cents to make the responsible choice here.

I bought two cases of the tp online, which made it less expensive, but then I can't imagine tp being a major part of anyone's budget. I do wish they wouldn't bleach it at all, especially given *what we use it for*, but at least it's done with h2o2. I buy the paper towels by the case too and they're unbleached.

Good news: they now sell them at Target. I don't remember the prices, but I know they were less than Whole Foods Market..........

thanx for the heads up on this..usually get them at whole foods but love target and am gonna check it out.

peace and love

jenn:pibo:

More and more I'm deciding that higher quality (more humane/more earth friendly) products are worth the extra cost. I'm not convinced many of us here really "can't afford" to make better choices. To me that almost sounds like people who say they "can't afford" to be vegetarians. But of course, everyone has to make their own decisions in concert with their own values.

i have their all purpose cleaner - it reeks soooooooooo bad! i'm switching to method.