http://www.campaignforrealbeauty.com

This is the best thing I've seen in a while, it's a really really good idea.

I'm iffy about Dove. I like how they're trying to show that you don't have to be a stick to be beautiful, but they're still trying to sell me firming cream.

You can hardly fault that.

But I would add that in their campaign to get girls into sports, one should realize not all girls AND boys like sports. I couldn't force my teen into sports. She didn't want to do it.

Also, with so many obese people these days, I wonder about this push to embrace all sizes. Back in the 60's and 70's, when I was young, hardly any US citizens were obese.Yet, I know eating disorders are rampant, so I'm probably wrong.

Other than that, I think it is a great campaign. I'm lucky my girl has never worried about body image stuff. She's a vegetarian and eats right as well. :sunny:

Don't they test on animals?

Don't they test on animals?

Yeah that's what I was thinking. Pretty sure they do.

Yeah, they are on peta's list of companies that test. (under Unilever)
http://www.caringconsumer.com/page/companiesDoTest.doc

When this was brought up a few months ago, several gals questioned "what if you are thin?". That is, "real women have curves" wasn't particularly kind to their body shape.

When this was brought up a few months ago, several gals questioned "what if you are thin?". That is, "real women have curves" wasn't particularly kind to their body shape.
I'm not exactly thin, but there isn't a curve on my body. I HATE it when people say 'real women have curves'. I just want to say "no, real women have ovaries and they come in many shapes and sizes."

I'm not exactly thin, but there isn't a curve on my body. I HATE it when people say 'real women have curves'. I just want to say "no, real women have ovaries and they come in many shapes and sizes."

Does that mean that if a woman had to have her ovaries removed, she'd no longer be a "real woman"? *curious* Or what if someone was a woman in her thinking and in her heart, but happened to have a man's body?

I think that to say "real women" are or have any particular thing, that is to imply that there are un-real women. So, I don't like the dove campaign based on that. Who are THEY to say who is real and who isn't real? They are marketing firming cream for crying out loud--how does using THAT make anyone more or less real than they already are? Advertising--it's STUPID.

Does that mean that if a woman had to have her ovaries removed, she'd no longer be a "real woman"? *curious* Or what if someone was a woman in her thinking and in her heart, but happened to have a man's body?

I think that to say "real women" are or have any particular thing, that is to imply that there are un-real women. So, I don't like the dove campaign based on that. Who are THEY to say who is real and who isn't real? They are marketing firming cream for crying out loud--how does using THAT make anyone more or less real than they already are? Advertising--it's STUPID.
I'll ammend: "Real women have 2 X chromosomes." :D

And I don't think many transgendered (if that's the correct term?) men care if Dove excludes them from this advertisement :p (Plus the fact that they aren't, biologically speaking, real women)

You never know though. They might be very hurt.

You can drag anything out like that until everything is as sterile as my two cats. Not picking, I just find it amusing.

I like the campaign for real beauty. Its nice to see normal looking women who are beautiful in their own right, I think. They all have "better" bodies than me.

I'm not exactly thin, but there isn't a curve on my body. I HATE it when people say 'real women have curves'. I just want to say "no, real women have ovaries and they come in many shapes and sizes."

: :lol:

Just wanted to add what a low-quality, overpriced product line Dove is!!
Their new, "shocking", pseudo-feminist ads are nothing more than a calculated effort to push their petrochemical & slaughterhouse by-product based products.

Why not buy something good for you, animals & the planet? I think Toms of Maine & Kiss My Face are very affordable & they are animal-friendly (w/ exception of some which have bee products).

There is really no good reason to buy Dove. In fact, their pseudo-political, manipulative ad campaign is a great reason NOT to.

Or what if someone was a woman in her thinking and in her heart, but happened to have a man's body?

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Off topic, but you *are* your body, your body *is* you, & if it's a man's body, guess what? You're a man!!
I'm so tired of transsexuals calling themselves women. I stopped going to women's sex nights at a Toronto bathhouse after it got too transsexual. If I'm going to be with a woman, I'd prefer she be born one.

I don't hate transsexuals. I just wish they would not consider themselves the same as a bio-woman.

Yeah, they are on peta's list of companies that test. (under Unilever)
http://www.caringconsumer.com/page/companiesDoTest.doc
i thought someone mentioned recently that they've stopped testing, but i'm not absolutely certain.

i also hate "real women have curves."

eta: unilever says that they test "where required by government regulation":
Unilever understands and shares your concern about this most important and complex matter. We are committed to the challenge of eliminating animal testing for our business. Our position has historically been that we do not test any finished home or personal care product on animals, except where required by government regulation. However, as part of our ongoing commitment to eliminate animal testing, we recently reviewed these specific government regulations against the products we manufacture and market. In line with our commitment to eliminate animal testing, as of October 2000, we can definitively state that Unilever does not test home or personal care products on animals. Our first priority continues to be to our consumers, and where required for safety reasons, we will have to carry out limited tests on some ingredients and food products. However, we will not use animal testing when there is an accepted alternative test or existing safety information available. We will continue our work for alternative methods by participating in industry and scientific programs, and we will continue to support legislation that promotes the elimination of animal testing.

Yeah that's what I was thinking. Pretty sure they do.

And it also contains tallow (animal fat).

And it also contains tallow (animal fat).
The bar of soap does, but I think I checked their shampoos and conditioner and both are tallow free. glycerine and silk were the things I was worried about

I don't know Organica, I don't think that people have too much choice in what body they are born into. But, just like some have plastic surgery to correct what they consider to be a deformity, so might some people have surgery to correct a gender mistake. And I for one will consider a person to be whatever gender she or he has decided she or he is, mind and heart. To me, that is more important that genital shape.

I don't know Organica, I don't think that people have too much choice in what body they are born into. But, just like some have plastic surgery to correct what they consider to be a deformity, so might some people have surgery to correct a gender mistake. And I for one will consider a person to be whatever gender she or he has decided she or he is, mind and heart. To me, that is more important that genital shape.

What about if I decide I'm really a black person in a white person's body? Am I white or black?

organica: You'd certainly be white. I don't feel that there's a problem with transsexuals living as the opposite gender and being addressed that way. They're not physically the same as people who were born that sex, and a person who was born a man will always biologically be a man whether he/she has his penis removed or not. But is there any harm in a man who wishes to live as a woman if he's happier that way? If he's willing to accept the social stigma, how does it effect any of the rest of us?

Anyway, on topic, I think this is a more productive ad campaign than most that are out there. It doesn't reinforce the awful stereotypes we're all used to. But it is an ad campaign, and it's intended to sell their products, nothing more. I'd prefer using a product because I had determine that it was quality and worth the price. I'm skeptical of dove in this claim, but I can't say I'm educated on the matter.

When this was brought up a few months ago, several gals questioned "what if you are thin?". That is, "real women have curves" wasn't particularly kind to their body shape.


And I think that the fact that every other beauty campaign out there caters to thin girls. We fatties need one too :juggle:


There is really no good reason to buy Dove. In fact, their pseudo-political, manipulative ad campaign is a great reason NOT to.


That's right, it's all a conspiracy! :rolleyes: I don't think the OP said "Hey, go buy Dove!!!!11!!!one!!!" It's just the point of honoring non-model perfect women. You'd be hard pressed to find that in any other campaign. Although, Cover Girl & Queen Latifah come to mind :think:

That's right, it's all a conspiracy! :rolleyes: I don't think the OP said "Hey, go buy Dove!!!!11!!!one!!!" It's just the point of honoring non-model perfect women. You'd be hard pressed to find that in any other campaign. Although, Cover Girl & Queen Latifah come to mind :think:

Geez, where did I say the OP said that? I added my remarks in the hopes that someone might think twice before buying it because it is *crap* & the ad campaign is *irrelevant*.

What is so bloody revolutionary about women exposing their bodies, fat, thin, or otherwise? I hate the friggin' Dove ads!!:spew:

Dove is exactly like all of the other companies pushing beauty products with appalling ingredients through a glossy ad campaign: style over substance. Their ingedients are shameful- I've looked at bottles @ the drug store & been truly amazed at what people will pay for a useless, possibly harmful bottle of product whose ingredients are around 50 cents in value!!

If you don't believe me because I'm a conspiracy theorist :shifty: , do a search for Aubrey Hampton of Aubrey Organics. He's written books on the harmful nature of mainstream cosmetic ingredients, & manufactures products without them, most of which are vegan.

What is so bloody revolutionary about women exposing their bodies, fat, thin, or otherwise?

I LOVE this! I also love the quote attributed to you just above. I completely agree.

Off topic, but you *are* your body, your body *is* you.

This really is a matter of opinion. As a Catholic I was raised to believe that I am not my body and my body is not me. I'm something more than that.

Not that I really care much either way though but deep inside, I'm a pineapple. :pibo:

Many good points here. I was amazed to hear about the bucks they're shelling out for a Super bowl spot. Based on the teaser I saw for the Super Bowl ad, it looks like a definite step in the right direction.

I think I feel the same way about it that I feel about Tomb Raider. When it first came out I was pleased as punch that at long last, we had an action/adventure game starring a woman, while simultaneously disappointed that the woman is still an obvious sex object.

Here, I'm pleased that someone in the beauty industry beginning the move toward embracing different types of feminine beauty. At the same time, by sending the message that a woman doesn't have to be 6 feet tall and skinny to be beautiful while parading women around in their underwear, the campaign contines to perpetuate the beauty myth... the concept that beauty is a woman's most important quality, and your worth as a person is based on how your body/face/hair looks, which is still a fundamentally harmful and regressive idea. But hey-- baby steps, right?

We should also not forget that at the end of the day, their goal is to sell more of their products and make more money. They would get down on all fours and bleat like sheep if they thought it would be lucrative. So ultimately, the more things change, the more they stay the same. It's all about figuring out the most effective way to part people from their hard-earned cash.