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Castor
11-12-05, 05:23 PM
I know everyone here hates hunters, but how can you argue against this? When was the last time an ARA gave like this. Yes hunters will use the land, but think of how many species that aren't hunted will have a home.

http://www.billingsgazette.com/index.php?id=1&display=rednews/2005/11/11/build/state/43-state-benefactor.inc

HELENA -- LeRoy Beckman lived so frugally that he went to secondhand stores for hearing aids and heated only one room of his small Montana house.

He got around in an old panel truck, favored bib overalls regardless of the occasion and found Social Security adequate in his old age. "He looked dirt poor," said confidant Jim McDermand of Billings.

But Beckman had an estate upward of $3 million when he died in 1997, at 88. The Great Falls man essentially left the money to deer and hunters. Now, the Montana Department of Fish, Wildlife and Parks is solidifying Beckman's legacy.


This month the agency's commissioners voted to accept the fourth and final gift of land bought with Beckman's money, now exhausted. His will requires the lands, which are contiguous, be managed for the good of wildlife and be open to hunters. With addition of the latest ranch, the scenic swath of central Montana now called the Beckman Wildlife Management Area will grow to about 6,500 acres. Features include grasslands, pine and fir trees, gentle slopes, coulees, the Judith River and, particularly important to Beckman, mule deer.

The bachelor farmer's trust has bought wildlife habitat chosen with the help of Fish, Wildlife and Parks, then donated to the agency. Besides deer, the area has antelope, wild turkeys, pheasants, foxes, coyotes, raptors, songbirds and an occasional mountain lion.

"It had to be mule-deer habitat, not elk habitat," said McDermand, personal representative for the Beckman estate. "He didn't like elk." Beckman also specified that a river flow through the property.

Beckman's generosity is "a testament to basic decency and civic involvement," said Steve Doherty, chairman of the Montana Fish, Wildlife and Parks Commission. But the involvement came posthumously. People who knew Beckman say he was a loner, trusted few people and was happiest in the wild, hunting.

"He was intelligent, but people did not give him credit for that," said Jim Luoma of Sand Coulee, who became Beckman's friend through a mutual interest in guns. He said Beckman was the son of a single mother during part of his childhood, and knew what it was like to be poor. He farmed as a young man, put money in gold stocks and got a handsome return, then invested in oil, Luoma said.

"Things just started going for him," he said. Luoma believes his friend was a savvy investor with a smart adviser.

Beckman's lone sibling, half-sister Evelyn Fish of Great Falls, remembers him as a person who loved to read, loved his dog, obeyed hunting laws meticulously and loathed hunters who did not.

McDermand's affiliation with the Montana Wildlife Federation led an aging Beckman to him, with an appeal for help in arranging his financial affairs.

"He felt he wasn't going to make it too much longer and said he had quite a bit of money that he would like to donate to mule-deer habitat," said McDermand.

"When we finished he said, 'Don't tell any ... women or lawyers about this,"' McDermand added. "He didn't trust either one."

McDermand did persuade Beckman to meet with Great Falls lawyer Kirk Evenson, after describing him as an avid sportsman. Beckman had prepared a voluminous will that needed work, and Evenson was part way into the job when Beckman died of natural causes. After a judge acknowledged his intent, his wishes were carried out.

"He saved everything," said Evenson, who remembers meeting with Beckman about four times before the man would disclose his wealth.

"He said, 'What do you need to know that for?' I said, 'Well, you know, in estate planning ..."' Evenson said.

Beckman had hunted bears as well as deer, went to Alaska as a sportsman and wanted to hunt in Africa, but never did.

"Even though he was a curmudgeon, his heart was really in the right place for the wildlife and the sportsmen of Montana," McDermand said.

The latest gift from Beckman's estate will be up for action by the State Land Board on Nov. 21. If the board gives its OK, final papers for the land deal likely will be signed soon afterward.

Sevenseas
11-12-05, 06:44 PM
When was the last time an ARA gave like this.Who cares when was the last time an ARA "gave like this"?

Castor
11-12-05, 07:17 PM
Who cares when was the last time an ARA "gave like this"?

I don't. It just shows how little they really do.

Sevenseas
11-12-05, 07:47 PM
So you said something that you (at least personally) find irrelevant. Well, on that I can agree.

Castor
11-12-05, 08:07 PM
I just thought that people who "care" so much about animals would help. But I guess billboards and bumper stickers are so much better.

Well, with peta's 30 million dollar budget and HSUS's 90 million, you'd think they could find a little spare change to do something that actually helped animals. But that's not what they're about.

Sevenseas
11-12-05, 08:20 PM
Well, with peta's 30 million dollar budget and HSUS's 90 million, you'd think they could find a little spare change to do something that actually helped animals.You don't think this is about "finding a little spare change to do something that actually helped animals"? :
# PETA's SNIP-mobile spayed and neutered 7,641 cats and dogs in our hometown area of Hampton Roads, Va., including 176 pit bulls free of charge and 781 feral cats. "

Of course, when it comes to education, campaigning, advertising etc., your claim about PETA or HSUS not "actually" helping is difficult to prove for or against. At any rate it would be naive to discount those forms of "indirect" helping as ineffective simply because they're indirect.

But that's not what they're about.Because they're about making a profit so Ingrid Newkirk can buy the secret cruiser that PETA is not telling us about?

Castor
11-12-05, 08:41 PM
I'm not talking about pets people are too stupid to take care of. I'm talking about saving wildlife.

How many acres have they purchased for wildlife?

What restoration have they done?

meatless
11-12-05, 08:45 PM
When I am a multi-millionaire, I guarantee you I will give even more than that son of a bitch.

Sevenseas
11-12-05, 08:50 PM
I'm not talking about pets people are too stupid to take care of. I'm talking about saving wildlife.

How many acres have they purchased for wildlife?

What restoration have they done?

Umm, why do you restrict this issue to wildlife? They have helped wildlife by anti-hunting work, of course (and yes, I know you think hunting benefits wildlife and disagree).

I could be wrong but I'd say that on average, being less in contact with or controlled by man than non-humans in labs, circuses, farms etc., wildlife is in a better position (but not always in a good position, certainly).

das_nut
11-12-05, 10:04 PM
When I am a multi-millionaire, I guarantee you I will give even more than that son of a bitch.

But do you live like you are dirt poor now in order to have millions to donate when you die?

meatless
11-12-05, 10:16 PM
I live very frugally compared to most other people at similar incomes. We save a lot of money so yeah, I don't think that will be a problem.

meatless
11-12-05, 10:29 PM
Oh and I don't anticipate it will have to wait until I die either.

But not like you really care, nor are you owed any explanation. Maybe you should try making a useful, positive post sometime.

Castor
11-12-05, 10:52 PM
Umm, why do you restrict this issue to wildlife? They have helped wildlife by anti-hunting work, of course (and yes, I know you think hunting benefits wildlife and disagree).

I could be wrong but I'd say that on average, being less in contact with or controlled by man than non-humans in labs, circuses, farms etc., wildlife is in a better position (but not always in a good position, certainly).


Would it be more appropriate if he would have burned the forest down and bombed the Forest Service office?:bobo: :bobo:

That is what you consider helping animals. Right?

Sevenseas
11-12-05, 10:58 PM
No, not really.

That's a good job of not engaging the issues in this debate, though :)

Ludi
11-12-05, 11:00 PM
Castor's sort of like the new Tame, but without the style.

das_nut
11-12-05, 11:50 PM
But not like you really care, nor are you owed any explanation. Maybe you should try making a useful, positive post sometime.

Now that wasn't very nice to say. :(

I do try to make useful, positive posts sometimes. I think I've even succeeded a few times. :p

meatless
11-12-05, 11:52 PM
Now that wasn't very nice to say. :(

I do try to make useful, positive posts sometimes. I think I've even succeeded a few times. :p

well sometimes i get annoyed. sorry. :evil:

das_nut
11-13-05, 12:08 AM
That's okay, sometimes I get annoyed and start acting like an ogre.

das_nut smash! :p

Marie
11-13-05, 12:51 AM
Meatless doesn't lick people anymore. :(

meatless
11-13-05, 11:27 AM
krista's got me worried about the germs. :(

:lick:

Castor
11-13-05, 12:50 PM
No, not really.

That's a good job of not engaging the issues in this debate, though :)

Since when do terrorist cheerleaders want to actually debate? I posted this to find everyones opinions and I cannot get anything but petty insults.

Figures. I guess, when you choose a loosing side, that's your only option.

meatless
11-13-05, 12:57 PM
oh and this:

When was the last time an ARA gave like this.

Wasn't a petty insult? :rolleyes:

Poor castor. :cry:

:rolleyes:

Sevenseas
11-13-05, 01:53 PM
Since when do terrorist cheerleaders want to actually debate? I posted this to find everyones opinions and I cannot get anything but petty insults.I don't know about terrorist cheerleaders, but I personally would like to know why we should focus on wildlife when measuring how much AR organizations or individual ARA's help non-humans.

This is the second time that you complain about petty insults and call me a cheerleader.

Marie
11-13-05, 03:39 PM
krista's got me worried about the germs. :(

:lick:

Don't lick krista.. she drools. :p krista

:lick:

Noelson
11-13-05, 07:39 PM
FYI - just because ARA do not announce how much they donate does not mean they don't.

ARA and A/R is not just about donating money for land - there are so many A/R issues, how would you expect any organization to donate their money? PETA for instance, gave $20K to The Elephant Sanctuary (that I know of). TES is but only one organization they support.

I won't even get into a debate with you (Castor) about A/R - you obviously have no interest nor do you even have a clue about what has been accomplished through A/R.

As for the man in this story - good for him.