Hi everybody. I am a milk lover but I can't figure it I should continue to drink it or not, since its an organic thing and it doesn't quite complete the whole veggies picture. What do you think ? Thanks

Its completely up to you. I drink milk occasionally (organic of course)

Hi everybody. I am a milk lover but I can't figure it I should continue to drink it or not, since its an organic thing and it doesn't quite complete the whole veggies picture. What do you think ? Thanks


I do know some people drink raw milk. You would have to check the laws in your state to see if it's legal and be very careful about your supplier. I don't know if raw milk is something that raw foodists use in their diet.

Goats milk is much better for humans, and it seems that the goats are treated much more humanly. However, if your a veg*n for ethical reasons you should know that all those baby goats have to go somewhere.

there are a lot of studies out that say milk is not so healthy, and probably an equal amount saying the opposite. Personally, being dairy free has been good for me. maybe try switching to soy or rice or almond milk for a month or two and see how you feel.

eta: FYI, "organic" doesn't necessarily mean "humane".

Personally, being dairy free has been good for me. maybe try switching to soy or rice or almond milk for a month or two and see how you feel.


Thanks for the info purpelle but what about the calcium that we take from the milk. Can you take the same amount from soy or rice ?

Thanks for the info purpelle but what about the calcium that we take from the milk. Can you take the same amount from soy or rice ?

most soy,rice or almond milks are fortified, and so is OJ for that matter. Milk isn't the only source of calcium on the planet, nor is it the best source.

I am confused as to why this is in the Raw forum? Milks (all kinds)aren't raw, because they are pastuerized, right?

I do know some people drink raw milk.
Yep. Most of the majorly raw people around here don't actually seem to consider themselves vegan, which kind of surprised me, though I don't think many of them do raw/unpasteurized milk.
Goats milk is much better for humans
Well, I'd say "less bad" ...
and it seems that the goats are treated much more humanly.
Ever seen a kid "disbudded"? Know how it's done?
However, if your a veg*n for ethical reasons you should know that all those baby goats have to go somewhere.
Almost all buck kids are subjected to an orchidectomy (castration) without any pain relief, then slaughtered for meat. A few wethers survive for a while as pets or for brush control, but usually even they don't live long.
there are a lot of studies out that say milk is not so healthy
Sure wasn't for me.
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Milk is designed for baby mammals, not adults.

I am confused as to why this is in the Raw forum? Milks (all kinds)aren't raw, because they are pastuerized, right?


I drink almond milk, make it myself. It's just almonds and water. You can add other things to it, ofcourse. But it is raw and vegan. Like hazelnut milk, or any others. You can make yourself and they wouldn't be pasteurized.

Unpasteurized cow milk would probably be considered a raw product.

Thanks for the info purpelle but what about the calcium that we take from the milk. Can you take the same amount from soy or rice ?

You can take your calcium from kale, brocolli, mustard greens and other members of the cabbage family. :)

most soy,rice or almond milks are fortified, and so is OJ for that matter. Milk isn't the only source of calcium on the planet, nor is it the best source.

I am confused as to why this is in the Raw forum? Milks (all kinds)aren't raw, because they are pastuerized, right?

We're discussing whether milk would be considered a raw product, are we not?

Unpasteurized cow milk would probably be considered a raw product.

Having drank cow milk right from the bucket (as in cow to bucket to Krista), I can say that it tastes nothing like what you buy in the store. You can't just guzzle this stuff like the store stuff. It's like drinking creamy canola oil (that's the closest way I can to explain it). don't get me wrong - I loved it, but I know lots of people wouldn't.

So, I warn anyone to try a small amount first, before wasting a bunch of money on getting a large container of raw milk. It is really different.

i've had raw milk before and i didn't care for it.. it made really good pancakes, but i didn't like it as a beverage..

Yep. Most of the majorly raw people around here don't actually seem to consider themselves vegan, which kind of surprised me, though I don't think many of them do raw/unpasteurized milk.

Well, I'd say "less bad" ...

Ever seen a kid "disbudded"? Know how it's done?

Almost all buck kids are subjected to an orchidectomy (castration) without any pain relief, then slaughtered for meat. A few wethers survive for a while as pets or for brush control, but usually even they don't live long.

Sure wasn't for me.
http://www.beak.org/me-stones.jpg
Milk is designed for baby mammals, not adults.

well, as I was responding to the OP, who loves milk, I was trying to be nice and give her/him an option to cow's milk, which I think we all can agree is most inhumane and bad for us. Not everyone is ready to be a vegan. I am, so stop picking on me. : )

We're discussing whether milk would be considered a raw product, are we not?

are we? I am not quite sure what the OP meant... I just assumed s/he was talking about raw milk, but s/he didn't mention raw, just organic, but it's in the raw forum.

Betacaroten wrote:Hi everybody. I am a milk lover but I can't figure it I should continue to drink it or not, since its an organic thing and it doesn't quite complete the whole veggies picture. What do you think ? Thanks

are we? I am not quite sure what the OP meant... I just assumed s/he was talking about raw milk, but s/he didn't mention raw, just organic, but it's in the raw forum.

Betacaroten wrote:Hi everybody. I am a milk lover but I can't figure it I should continue to drink it or not, since its an organic thing and it doesn't quite complete the whole veggies picture. What do you think ? Thanks

I was reffering to raw milk people. I am sorry I forgot to mention it earlier. So ... you think that raw milk can be considered a part of the vegan way of life. I don't have anything against cows ... I just like their milk ... you know. :D

You can take your calcium from kale, brocolli, mustard greens and other members of the cabbage family. :)

Yes ... I agree ... but will I take the same calcium amount ? How much of this stuff one should eat to get the necessary daily amount of calcium ?

I was reffering to raw milk people. I am sorry I forgot to mention it earlier. So ... you think that raw milk can be considered a part of the vegan way of life. I don't have anything against cows ... I just like their milk ... you know. :D

Whether cowmilk or any animal milk is raw does not affect whether it's vegan... it only affects whether it's raw. Until we perfect cows that grow on trees, cowmilk will never be vegan, whether raw, pasteurized, boiled or fried.

Sorry, wasn't intending to pick on you

are we? I am not quite sure what the OP meant... I just assumed s/he was talking about raw milk, but s/he didn't mention raw, just organic, but it's in the raw forum.

Betacaroten wrote:Hi everybody. I am a milk lover but I can't figure it I should continue to drink it or not, since its an organic thing and it doesn't quite complete the whole veggies picture. What do you think ? Thanks


And the thread is titled "Raw means without Milk?"

Thanks for the info purpelle but what about the calcium that we take from the milk. Can you take the same amount from soy or rice ?


I don't have a link for this, but I have heard that the high protein in milk can actually cause the calcium in milk to not be absorbed easily (high protien diets have been linked to osteoporosis), and therefore not the best source of calcium.

That's good to know Naturegirl. Thanks for the info. Even though I love to drink cold milk in the middle of the summer, I always suspected that my stomach doesn't support it very well. And to furher sustain your affirmation, I still have calcium problems although I always dranked at least 250 ml of milk per day.

Yes ... I agree ... but will I take the same calcium amount ? How much of this stuff one should eat to get the necessary daily amount of calcium ?


Hi................don't even think in terms of getting calcium from any dairy source. That's a huge fraud started by the dairy industry to sell thier products. Your body gets calcium from green leafy veggies just like Tofu-N-Sprouts said. You don't need much. Trust yoru body, it will tell you. But if you eat some greens everyday, you'll be fine. The reason dairy doesn't work is the excess protein. Calcium loss in your body occures due to excess protein. When you eat too much protein, your body has to process the excess protein and in doing so, the calcium gets flushed out in your urine. There are several noticable studies that show that people who eat too much protein while eating dairy will always be out of calcium balance while those not eating too much protein are in positive calcium balance. This is a known fact. The daiy industry knows this, but tried to hide the study because if people knew the truth, they wouldn't eat their products. Your body has no need for any dairy product. Milk is for baby cows not humans. You wouldn't think of drinking rats milk or graffe milk but it's no different. Milk in the animal kingdom is designed to grow baby animals into adult animals. Do some research, it's out there.

Hi................don't even think in terms of getting calcium from any dairy source. ... Calcium loss in your body occures due to excess protein. When you eat too much protein, your body has to process the excess protein and in doing so, the calcium gets flushed out in your urine.

:surprised Wow ... Smootie ... you sure know how to explain your ideas. You know ... I think you are perfectly right because I drank a lot of milk during my entire life and still I have problems with my body calclium levels. So what are the veggies that could be included in the "best calcium veggie" category ?

An except of a VRG page follows. I believe that broccoli and spinach are good sources too. I do wonder about the bioavailability of calcium sulfate (aka gypsum, as in blackboard chalk and drywall). Earth Balance says that it contains calcium lactate from sugar beets. Some sources say that the oxalate in beets and spinach binds Ca and makes it biounavailable. Le Sigh. I guess in the end the way to be safe is to eat a varied diet and supplement with an occasional veggie multivitamin.

Following are some good sources of calcium:
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Soy or rice milk,
commercial, calcium-
fortified, plain 8 oz 150-500
Collard greens, cooked 1 cup 357 mg
Blackstrap molasses 2 TB 342 mg
Tofu, processed with
calcium sulfate 4 oz 200-330 mg
Calcium-fortified
orange juice 8 oz 300 mg
Tofu, processed with
nigari 4 oz 80-230 mg
Kale, cooked 1 cup 176 mg
Tahini 2 TB 128 mg
Almonds 1/4 cup 97 mg

I don't have a link for this, but I have heard that the high protein in milk can actually cause the calcium in milk to not be absorbed easily (high protien diets have been linked to osteoporosis), and therefore not the best source of calcium.
This is true. Also, the proteins -- in moo milk, at least -- seem to be high in methionine, which is metabolized into cystine. When I stopped eating dairy, I stopped forming stones.