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kpickell
April 16th, 2003, 08:58 PM
On the night of January 28, members of the Australian activist group Animal Liberation Victoria entered [ILLEGALLY!] a KFC chicken supplier facility about 40 minutes north of Melbourne. Their intent was to document conditions and to rescue as many sick and injured chickens as they could from the 160,000-bird factory farm. They were not prepared for what they saw.

The rescue team found tens of thousands of birds, still babies at a mere few weeks of age, crammed into a long barren shed. Many of the birds suffered from broken limbs and organ failure from their unnaturally large size—they had been bred and drugged to grow at a rate many times faster than nature intended, and their bodies just couldn’t keep up. Corpses of the birds who could not endure littered the floor, and the survivors were forced to live amid those bodies.

The rescue team documented conditions (see the photos and video on this page) and took as many of the birds with them as they could carry—20 in all. Only two of the birds could walk—and then only barely. The others could not stand because of the severity of their obesity and crippling injuries. A veterinarian determined that immediate euthanasia was the only option for the majority of the birds. Only two of the hens were able to survive for even a short while despite medical care.

Conditions in such facilities are designed to cause the birds to grow as quickly as possible, heath consequences be damned, and to allow the birds only as much consideration as is necessary to keep most of them alive (a percentage of mortality is factored into the profit margin) and growing for six or seven weeks, at which point they are slaughtered. As the rescuers learned, factory-raised birds have trouble surviving much past this date—their abuse is simply too severe.

For more information go to: http://www.alv.org.au/rescues/0302broiler/0302broiler.htm
(warning: site contains descriptions of illegal activity)

fuzzpuddle
April 16th, 2003, 10:37 PM
these actions should be legal

with_open_eyes
April 17th, 2003, 06:53 AM
they (ALV) do an awesome job.

they aren't the ALF as they do not hide their identity.

kpickell
April 17th, 2003, 06:55 AM
still illegal.

with_open_eyes
April 17th, 2003, 06:58 AM
what the farms do should be illegal :(

kpickell
April 17th, 2003, 07:46 AM
I agree.

fuzzpuddle
April 17th, 2003, 05:37 PM
yup thats what i m sayin 2

AusChic
May 6th, 2003, 03:15 PM
Better illegal than immoral, inhumane & just plain wrong.

drew
May 11th, 2003, 03:26 PM
well the firebombing they did to mcdonalds was stupid. this incedent was intirely right.

*sprout*
May 19th, 2003, 10:38 PM
kfc disgusts me

aksjg
May 19th, 2003, 11:21 PM
It is illegal (don't know about Australia), the laws just aren't enforced and those that break them are not held accountable. God bless ALF and others that have the courage to open up a can of AR whoop ass on these places!
Hello all ;0)

kpickell
May 19th, 2003, 11:41 PM
what is illegal aksjg? There are no animal rights laws that protect farm animals in the united states. Are there laws in australia that I'm not aware about? If these chickens had been dogs or cats then that would have been a different story. It's criminal to abuse a cat but it's fine to mistreat a chicken.

aksjg
May 19th, 2003, 11:44 PM
Wow- sorry. I was under the impression there are at the very least sanitation standards that would be violated in the situation you described. I shall revisit the USDA guidelines on humane treatment of livestock... No offense intended :0) I'll check it out...

aksjg
May 20th, 2003, 12:24 AM
I concede. I was under the impression that chickens were included under the humane transport and slaughter law, but it appears that only cows, pigs, and lambs are protected there. There are only "recommended guidelines" for the transport and slaughter of chickens and turkeys. I'm not sure what standards or "laws" they have in Australia- Here's a quote from PETA regarding the laws that DO exist for factory farmed animals:

"Animals raised for food in the United States have little legal protection on farms or during transportation. Federal law says that in slaughterhouses, cows, pigs, and lambs must be stunned before their throats are slit, yet the law is largely industry-regulated, and there is rarely any penalty for violating it.

aksjg
May 20th, 2003, 06:42 PM
Also, each state dept. of agriculture develops the statutes related to animal welfare. That's why gestation crates are now being phased out in Florida. That is now LAW. How well it will be enforced is another matter.

I'm sure there are state statutes that define animal cruelty as it relates to chickens in each state, too.

Here are some that would relate directly to the situation you described, had it occurred in Illinois:

The Dead Animal Disposal Act is in relation to the collection and disposal of bodies or parts of bodies of dead animals, poultry, or fish, or used cooking grease and oils. Any person caring for an animal, poultry, or fish which has died shall not allow the body or parts of the body to lie about the premises. Such body or parts of the body shall be properly disposed of within 24 hours as prescribed by regulations of the Department of Agriculture. This act provides for provisions for composting of poultry, fish and swine.

The Humane Care for Animals Act is designed to ensure owners of all animals must provide the proper food, water, and shelter for animals. This law also prohibits organized animal fighting. The Illinois Department of Agriculture responds to legitimate complaints from citizens of suspected mistreatment or neglect of animals.

LadyFaile
May 27th, 2003, 10:37 PM
i have this sudden urge to make up some nasty stickers to paste all over the KFC near my work. once i have a couple bucks to spare i might go pick up some blank stickers for the printer and do just that. wish i had colour ink.

is it illegal to distribute flyers on car windshields without some kind of permit? :D

Robert
May 28th, 2003, 12:48 AM
Originally posted by LadyFaile
is it illegal to distribute flyers on car windshields without some kind of permit? :D

Heh, it ought to be since it's private property, not a free advertising medium for others to use, or to even touch without permission for that matter ;)

FWIW, I'd snap if I caught someone putting anything on my vehicle.

Kurmudgeon
May 28th, 2003, 01:20 AM
It's legal to put parking tickets on the windshield...... disguise them as parking tickets, LF. ;)

Robert
May 28th, 2003, 01:29 AM
Kurm, yep.. but you accept that, and agree to that, as part of your privilege to operate a vehicle within the motor vehicle act. There's a difference. In the case above, no consent or authorization has been given to touch that property. Similar to politicians may not put up their election signs on my lawn without my specific permission. It's not your property. You have no right to touch it. It's really that simple.

Kurmudgeon
May 28th, 2003, 03:25 AM
I'm unsure of the law regarding windshield junk mail in my country (although we discussed it in the Marketing module of a Small Business Management course). I would never use that method anyway; it creates too much litter (that's one problem I have with being in a demonstration that hands stuff out; people take it then just drop it (although we pick it all up)).

With Politicians here, there are strict laws regarding election signs on telegraph poles/public property. Of course, these laws are ignored by them and nothing is ever done (it's ironic to see so many posters for the Greens all over the place).

Meo
May 28th, 2003, 09:51 PM
Eugh! That's another thing to add to my growing list of things that have pissed me off beyond belief list today. :mad:

mushroom
May 28th, 2003, 10:27 PM
illegal...oh well.

aksjg
May 29th, 2003, 03:55 AM
Hmmm.....maybe it is different state-to-state. Here, in Alaska, I often find little advertisements under my windshield wipers. Sometimes for big sales, other times for churches and such. Actually, when I was in Orange Co. California last year, I came out of a store to find a "No Quiero Taco Bell" (or something like that) flyer on my windshield. There were immigrant farmers boycotting Taco Bell for not using their produce. Maybe they just ignored the law.... I don't have any gripes with it. Whatever you gotta do to get a message across. My precious property isn't respected when someone sticks their junky mail in MY personal mailbox or sends junk mail to MY email on MY personal computer....
I don't like the waste either, thow. I'd much rather wait by their vehicle and inform them verbally...eye-to-eye. Hehehe :0)

Robert
May 29th, 2003, 04:17 AM
Originally posted by aksjg
My precious property isn't respected when someone sticks their junky mail in MY personal mailbox or sends junk mail to MY email on MY personal computer....

First of all, I am not trying to start a debate... but the above statement needs a little clarification.

There is a fundamental difference between junk email and junk mail/flyers. That "personal" mailbox may be yours, but the postal service is not. Those with flyers/junk mail pay big bucks to the postal services to include those flyers to people's homes. The revenues from those flyers helps keep postal costs down for all consumers. Plus, you are able to block flyers from being delivered to your mailbox either by contacting the DMA (Direct Marketing Association) or your local Post Office.

Spam mail, on the other hand, is being paid for by you. You pay your ISP for a service and spammers will hijack an ISP's server (either domestic or increasingly from overseas these days) and send billions of spams to people's email in-boxes. YOU are paying to receive spam, that you do not wish to receive, and have no realistic way of getting off the lists. Selling opt-out spam lists is big business. Spammers will sell each other their opt out lists. It is always a bad a idea to respond to any spam email to try and get off the list. All you've done is confirm to the spammer that your email address is a working address.

Just thought I'd point that out if you're interested.

LadyFaile
May 29th, 2003, 09:09 PM
oh have i started something? ;)
i wouldn't do the flyer thing i don't think

though when i worked at pizza hut i once considered sneaking little anti-meat articles or something into the menus and take-out menus. at the risk of getting fired. it was what i planned to do on my last day as sort of a "screw you and good riddens" thing but in the stress of packing to move i forgot :(