It appears that several members of the Animal Liberation Front and its' web site have been hit by a multi-national police force. The ALF board is down, and I understand the operators detained. Look at the site and I will post more reports of detainees as information becomes available.

http://webgroups.us/animalliberationfront/index

I warned that this was coming. So, I can definitesly say with pride, "I told you so", as criminal activity never works.

Thus far I have heard that Vlasik, Best, Coronado, Berlin, etc have been detained. Anyone had contct with them. I am too scared to call.

I don't really correspond with those guys. Interesting that they're picking up "mouthpieces" for the ALF.

Is anyone here part of ALF?

If they are I hope they are not dumb enough to admit it in writing.

No doubt, Kiz. That said, I'm perfectly comfortable going on record saying I am not a member. Can people really be a member? I mean, are there "card-carrying" ALF members?

Looks like they operate by cells, if media reports can be believed.

As long as you take any reasonable precaution to not injure human beings, you can claim any act that furthers animal liberation or prevents animal suffering on behalf of ALF. That includes vandalism and property damage.

These fellows are too extreme for me. :-/

Can people really be a member? I mean, are there "card-carrying" ALF members?

Like Barbarash once said: "ALF is not a group or a club you can join, but a concept which is only realized when an action takes place under that name."

I wonder if this means I will not be receiving my next issue of BiteBack. http://www.directaction.info/

I'm too much of a coward to do stuff like they do. But I have great admiration for the majority of the actions they carry out. Maybe not all, but the majority.

I think most of ALF's supporters are VERY underground and live in isolation.....the govt has been after some of them for years.

I am not a fan of them or their tactics and won't support them or Peta or HSUS. Peta and HSUS have direct ties to the ALF and have funded a lot of their activities. I think their is a lot more of this funding going on but it is carefully hidden in their budget....paper trail. These things I know first hand from a friend who was in the FBI and tracked Peta for several years.

I think more senseable and rational tactics are best used for the benefit of animals. There are just better ways. :dizzy:

"Several" members (whatever a "member" is) is a "massive" roundup? LOL.

I think most of ALF's supporters are VERY underground and live in isolation.....the govt has been after some of them for years.

I am not a fan of them or their tactics and won't support them or Peta or HSUS. Peta and HSUS have direct ties to the ALF and have funded a lot of their activities. I think their is a lot more of this funding going on but it is carefully hidden in their budget....paper trail. These things I know first hand from a friend who was in the FBI and tracked Peta for several years.

I think more senseable and rational tactics are best used for the benefit of animals. There are just better ways. :dizzy:

HSUS too huh? I'd like to see that evidence.

No kidding. I'm a big supporter of the Humane Society and have never heard a thing bad about them.

On the other hand, I do not agree with the tactics used by ALF as well as many of the things PETA does.

I wonder if this means I will not be receiving my next issue of BiteBack.
Seriously, turn yourself in if involved. It is going down big time.

No, I'm not involved. I subscribed to the magazine BiteBack which I found on the internet some time ago when I started getting more and more upset about vivisection and stuff like that. I was interested in getting to know more about them and how their minds work and what they do and stuff.

There are no ALF activists in Switzerland as far as I know

This thread has so much ridiculousness.
HSUS and PETA are not the 'ALF' or their supporters.
HSUS tries very hard to distance their group from anything remotely ilegal.
PETA once gave money to a Rod Coronado defense fund.
A fair trial isn't illegal, although it seems sometimes that it might be.

Also, you can be a ALF supporter but not a 'member'
I support the ALF, and I do that vocally and proudly. That does not mean that I am the ALF, or part of any ALF 'cell'.

Board still down. Any news?

http://webgroups.us/animalliberationfront/index

I wonder if people who oppose ALF also opposed the Underground Railroad. I support ALF and any compassionate person who states otherwise should do some research on the group. They have rescued thousands of animals that would have otherwise been tortured and killed. I'm not involved with ALF, but I respect everyone who is.

There are no ALF activists in Switzerland as far as I know

Actually there are alf activists in Switzerland, I usually check up on what they do and switzerland seems to have one of the highest number of activists.

I am too scared to call.

This kind of encapsulates the alarmist, fearful, and ignorant attitude I see reflected in these posts. Better go find a corner and huddle, while taking snipes at an organization like HSUS, which privately and publicly distances itself from any activity that could in any way be considered illegal. Yeah, it's really scary to call a press office of above-ground activists, including a trauma surgeon and tenured professor.

Most of those you mention run a press office website (which is not in fact down). When people start cheering on the US government for trying to shut down speech that they don't agree with, activists of all kinds (as well as the average citizen with an unpopular opinion) are really in trouble.

And oh yeah, Diana better "turn herself in" for subscribing to a magazine!

I wonder if people who oppose ALF also opposed the Underground Railroad.

Amber, most of the people who oppose ALF were not alive when the underground railroad was in operation.

Amber, most of the people who oppose ALF were not alive when the underground railroad was in operation.
Yes, I remember in 1859 when smuggling slaves to Canada and New England thinking to myself, I think when I head back south I will raid a few labortories. But, having some sense I decided just to go to the bookstore and get a Harriet Stowe first edition 1850 autographed copy and photo copy it for Charles Sumner and Thadeaus Stevens.

Yeah, like the person who's "too scared" to even make a phone call would ever actually do anything to rescue an animal or person being abused, if that rescue involved any personal risk or potential illegality (because property rights are so much more important than intense harm to living beings).

http://www.animalliberationfront.com/

I think you may have a link to a 3rd party forum or something.

Board still down. Any news?

http://webgroups.us/animalliberationfront/index

Actually there are alf activists in Switzerland, I usually check up on what they do and switzerland seems to have one of the highest number of activists.

Sorry, I suppose it depends what one terms "activist". I was meaning that there are no buildings burnt down, and stuff like that. So-called "extreme" actions what was I was referring to. Also, don't forget that Switzerland is pretty much a soft-police state, so if the numbers seem to be higher, it's only because people are tracked here and followed more than in other countries and therefore it's easier to make statistics about them.

After all, some people think that Vegetarians are Animal Activists and that we are dangerous!!!!!!

I think the word is so large that most of the time people are not referring to the same thing.

Like there are SHAC supporters who make phone-calls to UPS and stuff like that, or fur-shops that get paint splashed on them, but I've never seen anything going on here like in the States or in the UK. Switzerland is a very sleepy place. Most of the Activism that goes on here is very above-board and legal.

Animal Liberation Front. It's a term that can englobe so much... I mean, when does one become a Fronter or not. Does a phone-call to UPS once a week to ask them if they've changed their policy or not make you a Fronter, or do you have to break into a laboratory and free the tortured animals to be one? Does splashing paint on the front of a F*cking Fur shop make you a Fronter, or do you have to break into the shop and throw paint ON the fur coats to make you one.

The fact that I subscribe to BiteBack for instance, obviously doesn't make me a Fronter. It means that MAYBE I support their actions (only maybe though, because one can subscribe to a magazine for research purposes because one is doing a thesis or something on Animal Rights, out of curiosity, or because one just likes to subscribe to magazines!!!) If I approve the majority of their actions, does this make me a Fronter??? I doubt it. I leave the dirty work for those brave enough to do so....

I don't know myself what the answer is. All I know is that I am happy each time the mute animals are being spoken for by someone. It makes their lonely screams in the night and in the day a TINY TINY TINY bit more tolerable.

http://www.directaction.info/ Heres a link to alf activities, theres a few from switzerland, but only about 1 a month, they're not really a big deal either, just paint stripper, gluing, and painting

Like I said, it's difficult to do illegal stuff in Switzerland and not get caught. Recently there was an advert in the local University newspaper asking for people who would like to sign up to be informers for extreme left-wing movements. There was even the fee mentioned they would receive.

Of course, people thought this was maybe a joke made by someone, although it sounded very much like something that the police here COULD do, so some journalist made the trip to Berne (the capital) to ask the Federal Police Dept. or whatever they call it, whether it was they who had put the advert in the paper. Their answer was something to the effect of "We prefer not to comment, thank you very much." It was obvious it was them.

Like I said, we're a soft-police state. They don't torture people in prison cells, or open up illegal prisons in Cuba, and it's not like they behave like the KGB or anything. It's all very SWISS and tidy and clean. But they have informers everywhere. I could tell you more, but I'm already way off topic here......

When I first arrived in Switzerland when I was 17, I immediately got involved in some sort of anarchist movement (it was exciting for me because I grew up in a a Fascist Nazi country and it was the first time that I had been able to speak my mind without being literally scared to death), and the first tracts I ever got to distribute in a demonstration said, and I translate: "A policeman hides in each Swiss.... and YOU??????"

Nothing's changed. That was 25 years ago.

I had my phone tapped and mail opened just because I was an anti-apartheid activist. :D They would actually be funny if they weren't so bloody stupid. They don't even PRETEND not to survey us. It's all done pretty openly. Although maybe they're not so stupid... that's probably the tactic they find works best.