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vegforlife
October 1st, 2005, 04:02 AM
REDKEN


Thank you for visiting Redken on the Web.
The safety of our consumers is our highest priority. As a global leader, the L'Oréal group of companies, which includes Redken, is dedicated to rigorous standards of manufacturing excellence that result in the highest product quality. The products we sell meet the most stringent standards for safety.
All the ingredients we use in a product are listed on the package or the label of the product itself. Since some ingredients are known by more than one name, we use the standard industry names for ingredients as found in the International Cosmetic Ingredient Dictionary. This dictionary lists FDA-approved names. A review of the ingredients that are listed on all of our products or packages will alert you to the presence of this type of ingredient.
Cosmetic products may contain ingredients derived from animal sources such as lanolin, honey and milk. You specifically mentioned "the meat industry", we do not use any ingredients of that type.
If you need additional information please call our toll-free guideline, we could assist you directly. Please call us at 1-800-423-5280, Monday - Friday, 9 am to 7 pm, ET. If you would like to request an ingredient list for a specific product, you may request one at that time. Please provide the advisor answering your call with the reference number located at the end of this message.
Thank you for the opportunity to be of assistance.

Sincerely,
Linda Barton
Consumer Affairs Coordinator

THE BODY SHOP


Thank you for your email and interest in The Body Shop! The Body Shop(r) is not a vegetarian or vegan company. However the vast majority of our
products contain no animal derived ingredients.
We aim to avoid the use of animal-derived ingredients wherever possible and specify non-animal ingredients whenever there is a choice. All our soaps,
for example, use a vegetable base rather than the commonly used animal-fat
base.
Gelatin, beeswax, honey, milk, shellac and lanolin are the only product
ingredients knowingly used by The Body Shop(r) which do not comply with the most current definition of Vegan. Where synthetic forms or derivatives of
these materials are available, such as lactic acid, these are always
specified for our formulations.
Please know that all product ingredients are posted online at (bodyshop website). Once you have clicked on the product you are interested in, select the "All Ingredients" tab found below the product.
Feel free to contact us again if you have any further questions.

Sincerely,

Genetta Bullock
Customer Care Coordinator
Americas Region


(I then grilled the manager at our store, who did hours of research out of fear that she was misleading people and she showed me the book that contained my feared compounds that another store had faxed her which states where their stearates all come from veggies. The only thing they carry that's not even vegetarian is the bath beads with gelatin, and some things contain lanolin (cruelty free, blah blah blah.)

URBAN DECAY (NOTE IT'S NOT A FORM LETTER)


Hi there. I have been asked to answer your ingredient questions, as I am the resident vegetarian and animal rights activist here. And we don’t really have an R&D department, there are only 25 of us running both Urban Decay and Hard Candy brands. In the future, we hope to mark on our website which products are vegan and which are not. We are just not ready to implement that at this time, we have so many other projects we are working on that are taking priority for the website at this time. I do happen to have here a list of all of our ingredients though, so I will answer your questions. Also, if you are unsure if a product is vegan, you can totally email me and ask me to check before purchasing if you’d like. I like to help my veggie friends.
The following products you purchased ARE vegan: Maryjane eyeshadow, Lounge eyeshadow, Baked eyeshadow, Gash lip gunk, nail polish, Baked Bronzer, Big Fatty Lip Plumper
The following products you currently have contain carmine: Midnight cowboy eyeshadow, Knee High Cream eyeshadow, Plutonium and Palladium Liquid Metal Eyes.
As far as sterols, I am being honest in telling you I don’t even know what those are…however, I do know that all of our vendors know we prefer plant-based ingredients whenever possible. We only use carmine because we haven’t yet found an alternative that doesn’t compromise the quality of our products. From what the vendors have told me, the only animal-derived ingredients we use are carmine and beeswax.
Let me know if you have any further questions…

tammy


I plan on talking to Tammy quite a bit in the future...

However, upon looking at my Redken Extreme conditioner, the first second ingredient is derived from sperm whale fat??? I will get to the bottom of this on Monday.

SallyK
October 1st, 2005, 01:28 PM
What a nice letter from Tammy at Urban Decay. :yes:

What is the ingredient name that is derived from sperm whale fat?

OhSewRetro
October 2nd, 2005, 01:37 PM
I need to check out Urban Decay next time I go to Ulta!! :D The only vegan eyeshadow I can find nearby is Jane but it's complete C-R-A-P. I can't find ANY bronzers, so that makes me happy!!

Please post your further conversations with Tammy, more vegan makeup options would be awesome!

Edit: Darn I got too excited. I just checked out the website and the bronzer has a ton of oil in it, which I can't put on my face...

SallyK
October 2nd, 2005, 02:17 PM
Arbonne has an amazing bronzer too, which is vegan, of course. I can't live without mine!

MrsKey
October 2nd, 2005, 03:16 PM
I really liked the reply from The Body Shop.


We aim to avoid the use of animal-derived ingredients wherever possible and specify non-animal ingredients whenever there is a choice. All our soaps,
for example, use a vegetable base rather than the commonly used animal-fat
base.

Gelatin, beeswax, honey, milk, shellac and lanolin are the only product
ingredients knowingly used by The Body Shop(r) which do not comply with the most current definition of Vegan.

They aim to avoid the use of animal derived ingredients but they "only" use gelatin, beeswax, honey, milk, shellac and lanolin (is that all?) ?!?! :wall: And what's up with that last bit about the "most current" definition of vegan? Did I miss something? Does the definition of vegan change frequently?

SallyK
October 2nd, 2005, 03:34 PM
I really liked the reply from The Body Shop.



They aim to avoid the use of animal derived ingredients but they "only" use gelatin, beeswax, honey, milk, shellac and lanolin (is that all?) ?!?! :wall: And what's up with that last bit about the "most current" definition of vegan? Did I miss something? Does the definition of vegan change frequently?

Oh geez, I missed that the first time I read through it. The wording seems a little sleezy....as if to cover their a$$es no matter what. :deal:

vegforlife
October 4th, 2005, 09:10 PM
Oh geez, I missed that the first time I read through it. The wording seems a little sleezy....as if to cover their a$$es no matter what. :deal:

yes, i got another email from them that seemed a little pissy but basically, other than the obvious compounds, their stearates and glycerines are safe as they are veggie derived. :bobo: :vebo:

i got another letter from tammy at urban decay (she seems so nice.)


I just heard from the vendor, there is no carmine in any of the existing shades of Sparkler Pens. I asked why then would carmine appear in the "may contains" section...to which she answered we designed the box that
way in case future shade extensions DID include carmine, we wouldn't
have to pay for a separate box. So, you're safe!

tammy

i also got this from too faced cosmetics


Dear Sarah,
All of our products are manufactured without any animal products/ingredience (the founder and president of Too Faced is a strict vegetarian). I hope that helps.

Andrea Southerland
Customer Service Manager
Too Faced Cosmetics

vegforlife
October 4th, 2005, 10:13 PM
What a nice letter from Tammy at Urban Decay. :yes:

What is the ingredient name that is derived from sperm whale fat?

spermaceti AKA cetyl palmitate and also cetyl alcohol. some cetyl-groups can come from veggies though, such as cetyl betaine. probably like most ingredients many are company specific. i am staying away from the first two though.

silverfire
October 5th, 2005, 05:15 AM
Hi Sarah,

do you know what they mean by 'no animal ingredients'?

Do they mean all their products are vegan? Or is it that they don't contain any animal ingredients not suitable for vegetarians, but containing things like lanolin, beeswax etc?

It would be great if they were vegan! That would mean a fourth totally vegan line of cosmetics that I know of!

Cheers!