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View Full Version : What's more diffy: Finding Mr. Right or Ms. Right?
Trent Steele
09-27-05, 01:28 AM
Well, which is it? Make your case!
Elena99
09-27-05, 02:36 AM
I don't think one is any more difficult than the other. :p
Buenosayres
09-27-05, 02:39 AM
well, i'm straight, so i would think finding Mr. right would be more difficult for me.
bjorn again veg
09-27-05, 03:55 AM
I'm lucky...
I found a good woman & married her.
newstars
09-27-05, 04:06 AM
i can't compare, i'm not bi nor can i alternate sexes, although, that would be effen cool!
I need some boobs :(
anthony11
09-27-05, 04:09 AM
My take, at least for people in their thirties, is that finding Mr. / Ms. Right and giving him/her a chance are very different. Maybe it's part of "Right" and maybe it isn't, but I see irrelevant criteria like height and breast size on both sides of the fence.
Altogether, I have to say that finding Ms. Right is harder for a Mr. than finding Mr. Right is for a Ms. if he's <6'
anthony11
09-27-05, 04:10 AM
i can't compare, i'm not bi nor can i alternate sexes, although, that would be effen cool!
You're not John Varley in disguise, are you? ;)
I need some boobs :(
Maybe Marilyn Manson will lend you his :)
zoebird
09-27-05, 11:06 AM
i put 'finding a good man' but i think it needs a few caveats.
there are a lot of very kind, loving, nice, intellegent men 'out there.' I dated many of them. But, they were not right for me. Many men are unintentionally sexist. Even some of my best friends (male) are unintentionally sexist. If confronted, they do not understand the sexism, because they're so culturally engrained in this particular way, that they cannot see it and see me as 'acting like a girl' or "are you pms-ing?" which only further illustrates the point of their sexism.
My husband has overcome this particular cultural thing. He is an amazing man, and finding men like him is actually very difficult. There are more women like me, then there are men like him--as my husband has admitted. Thus, if somehting were to come between us, it would be easier for him to find someone "like me" (only with whatever other qualities that he needed that i didn't provide), than it would be for me to find someone "like him" (only with whatever other qualities that i needed that he didn't provide).
my pool was limited from the get-go. Many of my friends who are male are great guys who have nice girlfriends. These girlfriends play into this sexism because they see it as natural--just like the guys do. They're nice, intellegent women. They found someone who is kind and suits them. So, there you go.
When i talk to singles, i often ask--what is it that you're looking for?
das_nut
09-27-05, 02:21 PM
Heh, as a guy, I think finding a good Ms. Right is harder. (My Ms. Right was one of a kind.)
It looks like the poll indicates the opposite.
I wonder if that is due to gender differences. The grass is always greener...
kirkjobsluder
09-27-05, 02:35 PM
Well, I picked Mr. because of the smaller pool of compatible gay/bi men out there.
But, what zoebird said also applies to women.
I guess I wouldn't know because I've never tried looking for Ms. Right. As far as finding a veg*n mate, there are more women veg*ns. But that's only one small aspect.
jeff_veg
09-27-05, 02:43 PM
This is a very subjective topic that depends entirely on one's standards. Some people have more demanding expectations than others, which makes it a lot harder to find what they are looking for.
But as a guy, I have to say that finding a good woman is more difficult, at least the type that I am looking for.
eggplant
09-27-05, 04:18 PM
Well, I haven't done a scientific study on it or anything, but here's what I've noticed from personal experience and observation...
Most of the intelligent women I know require that the men they have relationships with be at about the same level of intelligence as they are. However, many (not all) of the intelligent men I know don't seem to require that the women they date be of equal intelligence. In fact, some of them seem perfectly happy with someone who is much less intelligent than they are. I'm not sure if I just know men who have low standards where intelligence is concerned, but from my small pool of study subjects I would conclude that it's easier for men to find "Ms. Right" than for women to find "Mr. Right" because women have higher standards.
anthony11
09-27-05, 05:43 PM
Most of the intelligent women I know require that the men they have relationships with be at about the same level of intelligence as they are. However, many (not all) of the intelligent men I know don't seem to require that the women they date be of equal intelligence. In fact, some of them seem perfectly happy with someone who is much less intelligent than they are. I'm not sure if I just know men who have low standards where intelligence is concerned, but from my small pool of study subjects I would conclude that it's easier for men to find "Ms. Right" than for women to find "Mr. Right" because women have higher standards.
Intelligence can come in many forms, but I at least couldn't be happy in the long term with someone who wasn't smart/creative in some way.
anthony11
09-27-05, 05:46 PM
I guess I wouldn't know because I've never tried looking for Ms. Right. As far as finding a veg*n mate, there are more women veg*ns. But that's only one small aspect.
However, I've observed that women veg*ns seem to be less concerned than men with finding a mate who's veg*n, favoring big tall cavemen.
zoebird
09-27-05, 06:26 PM
Well, I picked Mr. because of the smaller pool of compatible gay/bi men out there.
But, what zoebird said also applies to women.
the sexism? absolutely. absolutely.
when men or women engage or completely accept the heirarchical notions in our culture, not only are women constrained, but in my opinion, men are even more constrained. The 'sexism' against men is incredibly subtle and incredibly dangerous to their emotional and spiritual health and well being in the long term.
for men who decide to live or function outside of the 'norms' of masculinity, the punitive aspects of our culture bear down hard on them. Women come down as hard or harder on men than they do on women or even themselves--and men may become absolutely unglued when confronted with a liberated man.
For a liberated man to find a partner to his needs and his liking--particularly if he is looking for a male partner--i believe that the pool is considerably smaller. If he is looking for a female partner, the pool doesn't become much broader--but it does increase slightly.
sadly, few people even recognize how the dominant paradigm truly hinders men in so many ways, in more ways than women are constrained.
anthony11
09-27-05, 07:14 PM
the sexism? absolutely. absolutely. sadly, few people even recognize how the dominant paradigm truly hinders men in so many ways, in more ways than women are constrained.
I think we're pretty much agreeing here. One thing that I see on both sides of the chromosomal fence is a distinct different between the criteria that people claim to have for a mate, and those that they actually practice.
However, I've observed that women veg*ns seem to be less concerned than men with finding a mate who's veg*n, favoring big tall cavemen.Ew.
I prefer men who aren't overly masculine or feminine. My brother jokes that all my boyfriends are wimpy. And few of them have had any interest in sports. At least not professional sports.
eggplant
09-27-05, 07:33 PM
However, I've observed that women veg*ns seem to be less concerned than men with finding a mate who's veg*n, favoring big tall cavemen.
My sweetie is an omni who is a librarian. His favorite passtimes are petting kitties and listening to NPR. There's a lot of gray area between veg*n and caveman...
anthony11
09-28-05, 01:20 AM
My sweetie is an omni who is a librarian. His favorite passtimes are petting kitties and listening to NPR. There's a lot of gray area between veg*n and caveman...
Make that "... many women veg*ns..."
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