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das_nut
August 30th, 2005, 07:37 PM
The web browser 'Opera' had its tenth birthday.

For today, they are giving away free registration keys.

http://my.opera.com/community/party/reg.dml

Its a nice browser, and I used to use it about five - six years ago. I'm getting reacquainted. :)

kirkjobsluder
August 30th, 2005, 08:05 PM
W00t!

PortableKitten
August 31st, 2005, 12:34 AM
Sure seems alot faster than anything else I have!

Joe
August 31st, 2005, 04:20 AM
Thank you for posting this!

soilman
September 1st, 2005, 08:32 AM
Thanks das_nut!

That's what I needed to convince me to to upgrade from version 7.23 to version 8.02 (for Windows).

However there isn't an awful lot of difference, other than voice command capability (which I haven't set up -- it isn't included in the initial 3.5 mb download; you have to download an additional 8.5 mb of stuff.)

They did fix the thing where, in the old version, if you have multiple windows, each with multiple pages, and you minimize a whole window, when you try to return to it, via its listing in the menu under Window, it isn't there -- it remains minimized. So you either had to use Windows Toolbar to open a minimized window, or, after you've switched to the invisible window, do Alt - space_bar, and then select Maximize or Restore (do alt - space_bar X). Now, the window will automatically appear as maximum or restored -- whichever it was before you minimized it.

Yay: pressing B or I or U or selecting a font or font size now works correctly in vBulletin (in Opera 7.23 the code used to appear at the end of composition window instead of at the cursor). However, there is still a problem with the dropdown menus that drop from the veggieboards menu bar near the top of the page -- the menu that starts with UserCP and includes Search. The dropdowns appear behind the advertisment that is below the menu bar, and you can't see them. Thus if I cursor-over Search, I won't see the text that says "advanced search;" if I cursor over "QuickLinks" I won't see several of the items in the list; they will be hidden behing the advertisement. A way to get around this is to toggle to UserMode, then toggle back to AuthorMode, but it is clumsy. I suspect this may be a fault of V-Bulletin rather than of Opera -- it may be designed to meet MSIE's incorrect interpretation of html and css codes.

And now you can see favicons in the bookmark listings, in addition to on the address line, and on the page tabs. Nice, but not exactly a big whoop. It does appear to load pages even faster.

Yet they seem to have dropped some features that I liked. For example, you used to be able to toggle the menu on-off (with ctrl-F11), not only on a regular screen, if you toggled if off before you wnet to full-screen, you could toggle it back on in full screen, and thus have a single, think, menu-line, iin full screen. No more. The menu is stuck where it is. You can't remove it from regular screen; you can't make it appear in full-screen. Even if you erase the menu file -- the menu words may be gone, but you can't get rid of the space on the screen that the menu used to occupy -- so you can't gain some extra screen space for the web page, this way.

Oh, yea -- the help files no longer download with the download file. You want help, you need to be on-line. The help files are on Opera's web site. That means if you want to annotate or modify the help files -- something I have always found to be extremely useful -- you have to first download the pages you want, and then modify not only the text of the files, but also, you'll have to modify the links to and from the help pages that you have modified. Makes annotating and modifying help files a major project. Makes more sense make your own separate help files with completely new pages and a page for a table of contents and another page for an index listing.

All in all, doesn't quite seem worth the trouble of upgrading.

kirkjobsluder
September 1st, 2005, 12:28 PM
Yet they seem to have dropped some features that I liked. For example, you used to be able to toggle the menu on-off (with ctrl-F11), not only on a regular screen, if you toggled if off before you wnet to full-screen, you could toggle it back on in full screen, and thus have a single, think, menu-line, iin full screen. No more. The menu is stuck where it is. You can't remove it from regular screen; you can't make it appear in full-screen. Even if you erase the menu file -- the menu words may be gone, but you can't get rid of the space on the screen that the menu used to occupy -- so you can't gain some extra screen space for the web page, this way.


Um full-screen is still there at F11.

soilman
September 1st, 2005, 12:34 PM
Yes KJS, full screen is still there, toggled with F11. What I said was that you are no longer able to obtain a 1-line menu in full screen, by toggling ctrl - F11.

Read my message again. It explains how to toggle the menu in regular screen, and how to do it in full-screen. This feature was avail in 7.23 but no longer exists in 8.02


You used to be able to toggle the menu on-off (with ctrl-F11), not only on a regular screen, if you toggled if [I meant [b]it not if] off before you wnet [went] to full-screen, you could toggle it back on in full screen, and thus have a single, think [thin], menu-line, iin full screen.

Sorry about the typos.

In regular screen, press ctrl-F11. This will toggle the menu off. Then press F11. This will toggle you into full-screen. Then press ctrl-F11 again. This will toggle the menu back on, yet, except for the 1-line menu, you will have full-screen.

kirkjobsluder
September 1st, 2005, 12:37 PM
Yes KJS, full screen is still there, toggled with F11. What I said was that you are no longer able to obtain a 1-line menu in full screen, by toggling ctrl - F11.

Read my message again. It explains how to toggle the menu in regular screen, and how to do it in full-screen. This feature was avail in 7.23 but no longer exists in 8.02

Sorry, misread you.

soilman
September 1st, 2005, 01:30 PM
I really do prefer having my help files local, so I can easily annotate the and modify them. Plus Opera's help files are not all that terrific. Better than MSIE's, but still not good.

mysteriouspoet
September 2nd, 2005, 08:45 AM
It must have been nice, but it's over now. It must have been fun, but I missed it somehow.

soilman
September 6th, 2005, 03:56 AM
See all those buttons I added to the main toolbar? (http://ourhernias.org/opera8_toolbar1.html) I added buttons to toggle the status bar, address bar, document view bar, page bar, and personal horizontal bookbookmark link bar. It's faster and easier than using View > Toolbars and then selecting the bar. Plus all the way on the right, there is a button labeled "MainBar" -- this one will turn the main toolbar off. Also, normally I don't have the text legend underneath the buttons; normally I just have the plain button image. That leaves more space on the right for the status bar info; I have the status bar info, that is, the text that displays when you mouseover a link or button, display there, right on the main bar, in addition to displaying on the status bar -- and usually I leave the status bar off. By hitting the MainBar button all I'm left with is the menu across the top, and the blue bar above it. I usually leave the page bar showing. I can get the main bar back on via the menu, or via the button on top of the page bar.

If anyone wants the code to add add to their mytoolbar.ini file to add these new buttons, I've shown it below. Don't forget to make a backup copy first via Tools > Preferences > Advanced Tab > Toolbar > Menu Setup Window > Duplicate button. Give it a name you like (the name will display near the top of the file). Don't forget to turn Opera off, then open the appropriate mytoolbar.ini file. It will be in c:\documents and settings\(username)\application data\opera\profile\toolbar if you are using windows xp, with multiple user profiles.


Button6, "StatusBar"="Set alignment, "status toolbar", 6, "StatusBar", "Panel Notes" | Set alignment, "status toolbar""
Button7, "AddressBar"="Set alignment, "document toolbar", 6, "Address Bar", "View" | Set alignment, "document toolbar""
Button8, 21247="Set alignment, "document view toolbar", 6, "DocView Bar", "View" | Set alignment, "document view toolbar", , , "View""
Button9, "PageBar"="Set alignment, "pagebar", 6, , "cascade" | Set alignment, "pagebar", , , "cascade""
Button10, "PersBar"="Set alignment, "personalbar", 6, "Bookmark Bar", "panel contacts" | Set alignment, "personalbar""
Spacer11
Spacer12
Status13
Button14, "MainBar"="Set alignment, "browser toolbar", 6 | Set alignment, "browser toolbar""


Don't forget to number the buttons and spacers sequentially, from the beginning of the [Browser Toolbar.content] section where you place the above code. I left out the clock in this code. You can add the clock simply by dragging it from the button tab of the appearances dialog. And you can turn off the legends under the buttons, in the toolbar tab.

soilman
September 6th, 2005, 04:09 AM
Here (ourhernias.org/opera8_toolbar2.html) is what your screen can look like if you press all the buttons on the main toolbar, that toggle off the personal horizontal bookmark bar, the address bar, the document view bar, the status bar, the main bar -- all the bars except the page bar. Though you could toggle that off too if you wanted to (then you'd need View > Toolbars to get the main bar, or any bar, back on). Notice how much more of the page it can display, in portrait orientation, with the page bars on the left, and with the main bar, address bar, and document view bar not displaying, yet without going into Full Screen (F11) mode -- which would have the disadvantage of not allowing you to switch pages.

soilman
September 6th, 2005, 05:05 AM
Ah -- I got another idea. I added the pagebar toggle button to the address bar. That way I can go to full screen, press ctrl-8 to get the address bar back, the press the pagebar toggle button to get the pagebar back, too -- on the left.

soilman
September 6th, 2005, 05:15 AM
I figured out how to assign toggling on/off of a toobar, to a key -- if anyone is interested. Also, how to toggle the main menu on and off using a key.

soilman
September 6th, 2005, 02:10 PM
Since I set the keyboard.ini file up to be able to toggle the page bar on-off with F6, I can now go into Full Screen mode, and just add the pagebar, on the left, by pressing F6. If I wanted to I could add more buttons to the page bar head and page bar tail -- any button I want.