I think it's obvious:

Men and women could not have known these facts at the time that these verses were written.


GRAVITY. Ancient Egyptians said earth floated in a river. Ancient Indians (Hindu) said earth was on the back of 4 elephants standing on the back of a giant turtle, swimming in a sea of milk, encircled by a great snake. Ancient Greeks had earth on the back of Atlas. Buddhists had earth on the back of a giant catfish.

-Job 26:7 (2000 BC) "…He suspends the earth over nothing."


GLOBE. People thought earth was flat until the 1400s AD.

-Isaiah 40:22a (700 BC) "He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth,"


CONTINENTAL DRIFT. Land masses move a few inches yearly.

-Job 9:5a (2000 BC) "He moves mountains without their knowing it"


THE WATER CYCLE from evaporation to cloud formation to rain was not clearly understood by scientists until the 1800s AD.

-Job 36:26-29 (2000 BC) "He draws up the drops of water, which distill as rain to the streams; the clouds pour down their moisture & abundant showers fall on mankind…"

-Ecclesiastes 1:7 (950 BC) "All streams flow into the sea, yet the sea is never full. To the place the streams come from, there they return again."


PREGNANT WOMEN drinking alcohol was not clearly understood as being dangerous until modern times.

-Judges 13:3-4 (1100 BC) "…going to conceive and have a son. Now see to it that you drink no wine or other fermented drink and that you do not eat anything unclean,"


UNCOOKED MEAT can carry many diseases.

-Leviticus 17:10 (1300 BC) "Any Israelite or any alien living among them who eats any blood-I will set my face against that person who eats blood and will cut him off from his people."


GERMS were not known or accepted by doctors until the 1800s AD.

-Leviticus 13:45-46 (1300 BC) "The person with such an infectious disease must wear torn clothes, let his hair be unkempt (uncovered), cover the lower part of his face and cry out, 'Unclean! Unclean!' As long as he has the infection he remains unclean. He must live alone; he must live outside the camp."

-Leviticus 13:51-52 (1300 BC) "On the 7th day he is to examine it, and if the mildew has spread in the clothing, or the woven or knitted material, or the leather, whatever its use, it is a destructive mildew; the article is unclean. He must burn up the clothing, or the woven or knitted material of wool or linen, or any leather article that has the contamination in it, because the mildew is destructive; the article must be burned up."

-Deuteronomy 23:12-13 (1300 BC) "Designate a place outside the camp where you can go to relieve yourself. As part of your equipment have something to dig with, and when you relieve yourself, dig a hole and cover up your excrement."

SHIP BUILDING. The dimensions given to build Noah's ark are accurate for an ocean going vessel. Noah was a farmer with no previous sailing skills mentioned.

-Genesis 6:15 (1300 BC) "This is how you are to build it: The ark is to be 450 feet long, 75 feet wide and 45 feet high." [Non-Biblical flood accounts mention a cube which would tip over.]


BLOOD COAGULATES best when an infant is exactly 8 days old.

-Genesis 17:11-12 (1300 BC) "You are to undergo circumcision, and it will be the sign of the covenant between me and you. For the generations to come every male among you who is 8 days old must be circumcised,…"


BLOOD CIRCULATION is needed to survive. A harmful blood-letting procedure was often used by doctors up to the 1800s AD.

-Leviticus 17:11 (1300 BC) "For the life of the creature is in the blood,…"

CONCLUSION: Men and women could not have known these facts at the time that these verses were written. This is very strong evidence that only God (the creator) could have written the Bible.

definately no.

No.

I thought Jesus was a carpenter not a short story author?

I thought Jesus was a carpenter not a short story author?


lol.

No, I definitely do not think so.

That's just another example of bad writing that gets sent around by people who lack proper email etiquette.

You're gonna get boring answers from non-Xians. :)
so...anyone remember the name of the psychological/statistical fallacy by which we notice and remember the extrordinary (e.g., statements which appear magical) but disregard and ignore the mundane (e.g., statements which are erroneous or truth-ambiguous)?

ebola

I think that humans wrote the Bible and all other works of religion (does anyone believe 'God' wrote the Bible but mere humans wrote all other 'false' reigious works or ideas for tens of thousands of years prior or since? )

These items you list and subsequent rules are created throughout time by observation over thousands of years. Same goes for eating various plants . If it killed Og the caveman then the others would consider that berry poinsonous and make a rule for it.

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"GLOBE. People thought earth was flat until the 1400s AD."
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Untrue .....the Greeks knew it was round. The experiment by Eratosthenes (276BC-194BC) was done to prove that and also measure the Earth's measurements to a fair degree of acuracy.

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"Eratosthenes made a surprisingly accurate measurement of the circumference of the Earth. Details were given in his treatise On the measurement of the Earth which is now lost. However, some details of these calculations appear in works by other authors such as Cleomedes, Theon of Smyrna and Strabo. Eratosthenes compared the noon shadow at midsummer between Syene (now Aswan on the Nile in Egypt) and Alexandria. He assumed that the sun was so far away that its rays were essentially parallel, and then with a knowledge of the distance between Syene and Alexandria, he gave the length of the circumference of the Earth as 250,000 stadia (A stadium (plural stadia) is a Greek measure of distance equal to 600 Greek feet. Opinions vary about how long it actually was, with estimates varying from 154 to 215 metres.)."
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A well in one town had the sun directly overhead at a certain time and day and so the sun reached the bottom of the well. By measuring the shadow of a tall monument in another town at this same time of a known distance north or south of the first spot , one could deduce the angle and thus the circumference of the Earth (since the distance between town A and B would be known it was just a matter of mathematics to figure out roughly) .

veganinohio: GLOBE. People thought earth was flat until the 1400s AD.

Um, no. Most of the Christian world accepted the Greek proof that the Earth is round. Columbus' big sell was not that the Earth was round, but that his ships had the range to reach the Indies. (Part of this appears to be that he underestimated the circumfrence of the Earth by a huge margin.)

And of course, other Biblical evidence is contradictory on this point.

CONTINENTAL DRIFT. Land masses move a few inches yearly.

-Job 9:5a (2000 BC) "He moves mountains without their knowing it"

Has a different flavor in context:
[4] He is wise in heart, and mighty in strength: who hath hardened himself against him, and hath prospered?
[5] Which removeth the mountains, and they know not: which overturneth them in his anger.
[6] Which shaketh the earth out of her place, and the pillars thereof tremble.

In other words, the mountains do not know that god causes landslides and earthquakes.

-Job 36:26-29 (2000 BC) "He draws up the drops of water, which distill as rain to the streams; the clouds pour down their moisture & abundant showers fall on mankind…"

Seems like an odd translation.
[27] For he maketh small the drops of water: they pour down rain according to the vapour thereof:
[28] Which the clouds do drop and distil upon man abundantly.

Distil in this sense appears to mean, "condense from vapor." Which in the context of the metaphor appears to be appropriate. (Clouds and rain as a metaphor for God's love.) It does not seem to talk about evaporation.

[Non-Biblical flood accounts mention a cube which would tip over.]

I'm skeptical. Gilgamesh doesn't mention dimensions, only that the Noah figure escaped by boat. The Egyptians also never portrayed their boats as cubes. In addition, the story of Noah wasn't composed by Noah, but by Moses who (if he existed) would have certainly known about boats.

GERMS were not known or accepted by doctors until the 1800s AD.

While germ theory was not known, the concept of a contagion is found across human cultures. Nothing about these passage scream out germ theory and the appearance of Job's boils would suggest a contradiction to germ theory.

BLOOD COAGULATES best when an infant is exactly 8 days old.

I can't find a wide level of support for this claim. And the "exactly" sets off my bs detector.

BLOOD CIRCULATION is needed to survive. A harmful blood-letting procedure was often used by doctors up to the 1800s AD.

I don't think anyone would disagree that blood was needed to survive at any point in history.

No.

No.

No, not the "Christian" God nor any other "god." Humans did.

No, God didn't write the Bible. His disciples did-human Christian men who believed in God and Christianity.

veganinohio: Unfortunately even if I agree with you, (or rather believe that God inspired humans to write the Bible) I do not think the points you've listed are necessarily good arguments to use to support my beliefs.

I figure posting it in the Heap is just looking for/asking for an argument. I, for one, think everyone is entitled to their own opinons and beliefs and am not going to argue with those who do not share mine.

No. He told humans what to write. Only it's been translated and rewritten so many times, I think sometimes His real words got a little mixed up.

No, God didn't write the Bible. His disciples did-human Christian men who believed in God and Christianity.

I wasn't aware that Moses was a Christian :lol:.

I wasn't aware that Moses was a Christian :lol:.
I wasn't aware that Moses wrote any part of the bible. :p

Um...Moses wasn't one of the twelve disciples.

I think saying "God wrote the Bible" or any other religious work is just downright silly and I'm a Christian. People wrote the Bible. Different people, and this has mostly been verified (in some cases, we know who wrote different parts of the Bible). People believe that the Bible was inspired by God, but this doesn't mean that it is still not a flawed human work.

Sometimes I wonder what the heck people are thinking about. :)

B

I wasn't aware that Moses wrote any part of the bible. :p

Traditionally, Genesis and Exodous are attributed to Moses. However, other theories state that Genesis and Exodous were a synthesis of oral tradition, and a dash of nationalism during the exile. Some of the Psalms are attributed to David and Solomon as well.

The entire bible was not written by the disciples...only the new testament.

B

Um...Moses wasn't one of the twelve disciples.

Neither were at least two of the Gospel writers.

No, I know the entire Bible wasn't written by just the twelve disciples....I should have put "followers" of God or something like that instead. I was just stating that God himself didn't write the Bible, but humans. :yes:

BLOOD COAGULATES best when an infant is exactly 8 days old.

I can't find a wide level of support for this claim. And the "exactly" sets off my bs detector.


Even if we assume it's true, circumsicion is a practice that predates Judaism. It likely even predates recorded history. It doesn't take a great leap of faith to suppose that people would have noticed circumsicions healed faster on infants of about 8 days old, and this bit of info could have been taken up in the old testament.

Do I think God inspired the exact words the Biblical authors wrote AND all the mistakes that accrued in the copying, recopying, and (mis)translation?

No.

Do I think God was working behind the scenes to produce something pretty neat and revolutionary?

Yes.