well, basically months ago, my friend saw some papers i just had laying on my floor of my room

about how animals are tortured... how they put all this stuff in things like makeup, perfume and things like that.

so she decided to go veg. another major reason is how much water is wated to raise the animals. and how much less it would be if people just went veg.

but, one problem. she still eats fish. in the first couple of months, she wold introduce herself a s a full vegetarian to people . i would say no you're not. you're pesco-veg. which isnt completely vegetarian. you're still eating living things. and she'd get all mad at me. pissed off! she'd say I'm trying, so stop making me feel bad, i'm trying! i thought. uhh, no you're not. 'casuse it's not that hard. so if you were trying you'd succeed. but you obviously dont want to. but like i said, i THOUGHT that i didnt say it. so i just stopped pointing it out.

and then today, my friend told me that she bought a pepperoni pizza. i'm like wtf? so i asked her about it. (i really didnt want to start an argument, but it REALLY pisses me off when people claim theyr'e something they're not especially something like being veg (i'm a full vegan, and i hate it when people pose as vegetarians,and then eat fish!)) so, i didnt want to start an argument but i asked about it. and she said, yeah, i bought the pizza, but i took the pepperonis offf. Like the stores, and people who supply the food to the stores care about if she took it off or not. she still gave them money. that's the only thing they care about! so she contributed to it! but i didnt say anything after that. i just held silent.

you know, it'd really be nice to have a vegan friend. .... it really would. someone that would actually not be an evil selfish ... um person.

i mean, i'm sitll friends with omnis. hell, i'm even dating an omni, but i'm sick of seeeing everyone in my life as evil.... i'm sick of it. it's really annoying.

About 4 or 5 years ago when I was younger I went veg for about 6 months or so. I did the same thing...my friends and I would go out for pizza a lot ( I think this was like my first year of college) and we'd order pizza with pepperonis and sausage or what not, and I'd always just pick it off. . . not ever realizing that it's still not veg because you've still got all the meat juice laying on top of the cheese! Ugh! Now, I've educated myself on it a lot more and read the ingredients on everything.

If your friend is eating pepperoni juices and fish, then she is not a vegetarian. I know when she goes around telling everyone that she is a vegetarian, that can be really frustrating, but keep telling yourself that at least she is trying. You should get her to come onto VB; I'm sure plenty of people on here will get her to change her mind. J/K...sorta.

i mean, i'm sitll friends with omnis. hell, i'm even dating an omni, but i'm sick of seeeing everyone in my life as evil.... i'm sick of it. it's really annoying.
I know that feeling. :( Maybe try patiently explaining to her that the point of vegetarianism is to stop contributing to demand rather than being some kind of dietary purist. Good luck.

i mean, i'm sitll friends with omnis. hell, i'm even dating an omni, but i'm sick of seeeing everyone in my life as evil.... i'm sick of it. it's really annoying.

Well, you're the only one that can change that. Everyone else isn't going to change, unfortunately, so you're the only one that can change that paradigm.

I know it sucks. It bugs me to see people eating meat too. Especially people who I have high expectations of. But just try to see the innocence in the situation. It's a lot harder for some people. There's all sorts of reasons why people aren't veg, from ignorance to fear.

We all see ourselves as innocent, our actions as seeming justifiable. Just give them the benefit of the doubt. Getting irritated doesn't help you, the animals, or them.

I'll write this off as you're just venting. If not, you're going to have a horrible time in life.

It's fine to come here to vent, but you shouldn't take it out on your friends and discourage them from being veg by telling them they're evil or fake. If you look at if from your friends perspective, then you can understand why she feels you're being mean to her and discouraging her from ever going veg.

well, i only said taht she's not vegetarian like two times. (that was when she was not only eating fish but other meats every now and then too. )

and she called herself veg because she's "cutting down" on it. w hich is stupid.

but like i said, i stopped doing that.k i just keep my mouth closed now. and no, it doenst annoy me THAT much, obviously.

If it did, iw ouldnt be friends with and date omnis. but i do, like i siad. so i'm okay with it. my whole family is omni too. i mean, ... i guess i was just feeling un-good (lol) yesturday, and posted that. i'm okay most of the time though.

i mean, i'd prefer to have a vegan buddy, but if not, i can live with that.

i told her to come on this site.. but she never did. she was close.. but never happened. that's okay though.

i mena, pepole will do what's right by them... and that's it. and they're nice to me. i love my friends, and i love my boyfriend, and i lov emy family. so i can live with them being omni.

i dont think i really consider them evil... it was just yesturday. i wanst too happy.

Sometimes people will call themselves vegetarian because they're trying to cut out meat or they prefer not to eat it.

A lot of people will take, "I'm trying to cut out meat" as, "okay. so we can get the pepperoni pizza, then, and it can be your only meaty meal today." and take, "I'm vegetarian" as, "okay. we'd better get something without meat for you to eat."

It's just easier. It's like the way, if you say "I don't like onions" sometimes people won't be too careful to keep onions out of your food, whereas if you say, "I'm allergic to onions." people will pay more attention

Had some problems understanding this thread. In Europe a pepperoni is a bell pepper, and therefore 100% veg*an. So if you ever come to Europe with your friend, weird2twiggy, you can order a pepperoni pizza for her without any qualms!

Pepperoni here is a spicy pork sausage.

Weird2Twiggy - For god's sake, the girl is trying. There's a transition to make, and it's not easy - she's cut down, and even that means something. When I decided to make the transition from veg to vegan, I didn't just stop eating dairy suddenly that day. It takes time. She obviously likes the idea of being veg, let her do it in her own way, in her own time.

well, i only said taht she's not vegetarian like two times. (that was when she was not only eating fish but other meats every now and then too. )

and she called herself veg because she's "cutting down" on it. w hich is stupid.

but like i said, i stopped doing that.k i just keep my mouth closed now. and no, it doenst annoy me THAT much, obviously.

If it did, iw ouldnt be friends with and date omnis. but i do, like i siad. so i'm okay with it. my whole family is omni too. i mean, ... i guess i was just feeling un-good (lol) yesturday, and posted that. i'm okay most of the time though.

i mean, i'd prefer to have a vegan buddy, but if not, i can live with that.

i told her to come on this site.. but she never did. she was close.. but never happened. that's okay though.

i mena, pepole will do what's right by them... and that's it. and they're nice to me. i love my friends, and i love my boyfriend, and i lov emy family. so i can live with them being omni.

i dont think i really consider them evil... it was just yesturday. i wanst too happy.

Oh, okay that makes sense to me. We all have days were everything gets to us and we feel like venting... so you came to the right place.

I wish my friends would eat less meat, but none of them will even try. //shrug.

Weird2Twiggy - For god's sake, the girl is trying. There's a transition to make, and it's not easy - she's cut down, and even that means something. When I decided to make the transition from veg to vegan, I didn't just stop eating dairy suddenly that day. It takes time. She obviously likes the idea of being veg, let her do it in her own way, in her own time.

i'm not sure that the girl is trying. she hasn't taken steps to educate herself. she hasn't set up a support system (such as asking W2T or coming to VBs). and she hasn't stopped eating meat (fish or otherwise). so, while i could say that she has her mind headed in a certain direction, she isn't really trying all that hard.

i'll grant, though, that there is a transition. that transition may be easier for some than others. most people in transition though, are doing a number of things. first, they're gathering all of the information about vegetarianism that they can--particularly what to eat. second, they are systematically removing meat from their diet (i mean, why did she have to buy a pepperoni pizza when she could have bought a cheese pizza?). third, they are seeking the advice and support of other vegetarians through vegetarian groups, online communities, or friends who are vegetarian. All of these things take a great deal of effort, which could mean that the 'transition isn't easy.'

it is true that any change in a positive direction is a good, beneficial change for oneself and others. whether a person is vegetarian or not matters less than the changes that they do make and why they make them. i do not think that her friend has sunk into the why's yet, so at this point it really isn't a whole-hearted change.

that's ok, though, because everyone goes through these things at some leve and on some topic at some time. I did this thing four or five times before actually researching vegetarianism. i tried to simply cut out meat, which left me unsatisfied and also unhealthy. i'd go back to eating meat in a matter of weeks. Finally, i decided to do the research, get the support, and go from there. it worked. vegetarianism rocks. :)