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jbphburg
08-19-05, 06:28 PM
Published on Friday, August 19, 2005 by the The Independent / UK
Global Warming: Will you listen now, America?

Two of the leading contenders to contest the next US presidential election have delivered an urgent warning to the United States on global warming, saying the evidence of climate change has become too stark to ignore and human activity is a major cause.
By Andrew Buncombe


On a high-profile and bi-partisan fact-finding tour in Alaska and Canada's Yukon territory, Senators John McCain, a Republican, and Hillary Clinton, the Democratic senator for New York, were confronted by melting permafrost and shrinking glaciers and heard from native Inuit that rising sea levels were altering their lives.

"The question is how much damage will be done before we start taking concrete action," Mr McCain said at a press conference in Anchorage. "Go up to places like we just came from. It's a little scary." Mrs Clinton added: "I don't think there's any doubt left for anybody who actually looks at the science. There are still some holdouts, but they're fighting a losing battle. The science is overwhelming."

Their findings directly challenge President George Bush's reluctance to legislate to reduce America's carbon emissions. Although both senators havetalked before of the need to tackle global warming, this week's clarion call was perhaps the clearest and most urgent. It also raises the prospect that climate change and other environmental issues could be a factor in the presidential contest in 2008 if Mrs Clinton and Mr McCain enter it. Mrs Clinton and Mr McCain, who represents Arizona, are among the leading, and the most popular, likely contenders.

That they chose Alaska as the stage from which to force global warming on to the American political agenda was not a matter of chance. In many ways, this separated US state is the frontline in the global warming debate. Environmentalists say the signs of climate change are more obvious there than perhaps anywhere else in the US.

Dan Lashof, a scientist with the Natural Resources Defence Council, a respected Washington-based group, told The Independent: "People in Alaska are starting to freak out. The retreat of the sea ice allows the oceans to pound the coast more, and villages there are suffering from the effects of that erosion. There is permafrost melting, roads are buckling, there are forests that have been infested with beetles because of a rise in temperatures. I think residents there feel it's visible more and more, more than any other place in the country."

President Bush's administration has repeatedly questioned the evidence of global warming and the contribution of human activity to any shift. Mr Bush, who in 2001 refused to ratify the Kyoto treaty on global warming weeks after he took office, has repeatedly been accused of doing nothing to enforce tighter controls on emissions of carbon dioxide and other "greenhouse gases". But this summer, the US National Academy of Sciences - and the scientific academies of the other G8 nations as well as Brazil, China and India - issued a statement saying there was strong evidence that significant global warming was happening and that "it is likely that most of the warming in recent decades can be attributed to human activities". They called on world leaders to recognise "that delayed action will increase the risk of adverse environmental effects and will likely incur a greater cost". Mrs Clinton, who must first win her re-election to the US senate next year if she is to enter the 2008 White House race, said at the press conference that she had spoken to scientists as well as native Alaskans during the trip.

She said that, flying over the Yukon, she saw forests devastated by spruce bark beetles, believed to be increasing at an unprecedented rate because of warmer weather. She also talked of what a 93-year-old woman at a fish camp at Whitehorse told her. The woman said she had been fishing there all her life but now fish have strange bumps on them.

"It's heartbreaking to see the devastation," Mrs Clinton said. Mr McCain, Mrs Clinton and Senators Lindsey Graham of South Carolina and Susan Collins of Maine, also went to Barrow, the northernmost city in the US. There, they spoke to scientists and Inupiaq Inuit. They also saw shrinking glaciers in Kenai Fjords National Park.

Mr McCain - with Senator Joe Lieberman - is behind proposed legislation that would require power-generating companies to reduce carbon emissions to their 2000 levels. Mr Graham, a Republican, said he had been moved by what he had seen. "Climate change is different when you come here, because you see the faces of people experiencing it. If you go to the people and listen to their stories and walk away with any doubt that something's going on, you're not listening."

Mrs Collins, a Democrat, was even more convinced. She said the evidence in Alaska represented the "canary in the mine shaft of global warming crying out to us to pay attention".

© 2005 Independent News & Media (UK) Ltd.

bethanie
08-21-05, 05:48 PM
No, America will probably not listen now.

B

Diana
08-21-05, 07:14 PM
Permafrost is a LONG LONG way away. It's melting in Siberia too and the consequences could be truly casastrophic.

No, they will not listen.

4 Life
08-21-05, 09:36 PM
You know, I hate to be anal retentive about it, but I don't think that your supposed to be posting articles in full like that unless you have the authors/owners consent. Just a fyi.

Rene
08-22-05, 02:53 AM
It is frightening how many people still do not believe there is a problem (my father is one)...and it is no wonder if governing bodies do not admit to it.

This still seems to be the predominant arguement by my father and others I know like him .....>

" President Bush's administration has repeatedly questioned the evidence of global warming and the contribution of human activity to any shift."

My bet, no America will not listen.

jonesing4wind
08-22-05, 03:09 AM
I'm not trying to sound preachy here, but America is not a government, or a company, or an agenda. I am america, and so are you!! Do you ride a bike to work? electric car? Garden? Use efficient light bulbs? Recycle plastic? Installed solar water heater or power? WE are the ones to blame!! I dont need my government to mandate another 2 or 3% lower emmissions on my car! I need to become active and help other people to become active in this crisis. Only by MY actions can I make a difference!! So lets all chip in, because I AM AMERICA, AND I AM LISTENING!!

Ludi
08-22-05, 08:37 AM
I agree jonesing, we need to stop waiting for the government to "do something."

Things I'm doing:

- work at home
- try to drive only once a week
- have a reasonably efficient used car (Toyota Echo 40 miles per gallon)
- grow my own food (currently at about 15%, working toward growing all of my household's basic food needs except luxury items)
- recycle (of course)
- beginning to transition to solar power (dang, it's expensive)
- use efficient appliances such as flourescent light bulbs
- plant many trees (planted almost 40 this year)
- use a solar cooker

Zerix01
08-22-05, 08:46 AM
I'm amazed that these people still need to be convinced that global warming is even happening. I remember watching science programs on TV in the mid 90's that talked about global warming. About 1994 and 1995 I was in the fourth and fifth grade and I still understood what was happening and why, and what we need to do to stop it. What is wrong with our leaders?

jbphburg
08-22-05, 12:29 PM
" but America is not a government, or a company, or an agenda."

I disagree, America is a company, run by big oil company executives currently, they can make a bigger difference than the citizenry in terms of dictating CO2 emission reductions, promoting hybrid cars, etc., they have the power and can make the world a better place if they choose, or stand in the way of progress as well.

Ludi, those are all great things you're doing in your own life to help, but many people don't have speace to grow their own food, maybe a small percentage of what they eat, or convert to solar power (if the gov subsidized a large fraction of the cost that would encourage people to do so), or even have a fuel efficient vehicle (many people are tight for $, and drive what they can afford, like a used inefficient car).

Diana
08-22-05, 12:37 PM
Am very worried about the permafrost that is melting. It is not good. Not good at all. This is probably the most serious alert we've had so far...

jonesing4wind
08-22-05, 12:46 PM
WARNING: <rant>
The "big gas & oil" will not, NOT give up money voluntarily. That is the price of a capitolist society. With that money comes power to make (essentially) laws that are self promoting. To wait for laws and emmissions restrictions to be passed into law is ludicrous! WE, as in you and I, need to take action now, by doing our part. Education of the masses is imperative!!

"No army is as strong as an idea whose time has come"

But we need to get the idea to the people, or it does no good. You cant blame someone for lack of action through ignorance. You can only blame them for lack of knowledge, or caring. The real culprits are the "big gas & oil" and the average joe, who reads about it, understands it, but continues to get plastic bags at the grocery, and drive a gas-guzzling SUV.

The people have the power. period.

</rant>

jbphburg
08-22-05, 12:57 PM
"The people have the power. period."

I really think big corps and the gov have the power and can do much more quicker than the citizenry to affect significant change.
I think the gov needs to develop a plan for transitioning to renewable energies with a clear timetable, not that I think that'll happen, just that it should happen.

jonesing4wind
08-22-05, 01:06 PM
I think the gov needs to develop a plan for transitioning to renewable energies with a clear timetable

I fully agree with you. But it is dangerous to rely on our government to regulate what should be common sense. It leads to all sorts of problems. My only point is, if we (as the citizens of this nation) made ecologically friendly choices, there would be no need to mandate anything. And if we act as a whole toward that end, there would be no stopping us, by big oil or Uncle Sam! So in that light, I believe we do have the power.

Sean

Ludi
08-22-05, 01:13 PM
Ludi, those are all great things you're doing in your own life to help, but many people don't have speace to grow their own food, maybe a small percentage of what they eat, or convert to solar power (if the gov subsidized a large fraction of the cost that would encourage people to do so), or even have a fuel efficient vehicle (many people are tight for $, and drive what they can afford, like a used inefficient car).

That's true, but what would you like me to do about those other people? I'm afraid I only have the ability to affect my own life, and to attempt to inform other people of the issues, but I have no power over their ability or inability to do anything. So, I'm not really sure what your point is...

jbphburg
08-22-05, 05:26 PM
Absolutely Ludi, and it's absolutely great that you're doing things in your own life to better the world, I'm just thinking on a broad social level, at which the cumulative actions of many would affect significant change.

jbphburg
08-22-05, 05:29 PM
"My only point is, if we (as the citizens of this nation) made ecologically friendly choices, there would be no need to mandate anything"

I'm thinking in terms of literally moving away from an oil based economy and to one which is based upon renewable power, and that's something that the government has to bring about. As citizens we're limited in this regard, we won't be making oil go away and usher in a solar age without the gov making it happen.

Rene
08-22-05, 09:42 PM
"The people have the power. period."

I really think big corps and the gov have the power and can do much more quicker than the citizenry to affect significant change.
I think the gov needs to develop a plan for transitioning to renewable energies with a clear timetable, not that I think that'll happen, just that it should happen.

Yes people have the power...once they have the information. Problem is often governments control and selectively release information.

I agree it is the individual who needs to analyse their own lifestyle...but why would they if they are told there is no problem...this is where I agree the government needs to step up to the plate and honestly educate as to what is going on...then give people the option of analysing their lifestyle choices.

Ludi
08-22-05, 11:21 PM
Absolutely Ludi, and it's absolutely great that you're doing things in your own life to better the world, I'm just thinking on a broad social level, at which the cumulative actions of many would affect significant change.


Such a change begins with individual action. And individuals helping to educate other individuals. I have no faith in the US government helping with this, the current administration has absolutely no interest in this kind of change. We're on our own.

Zerix01
08-23-05, 09:00 AM
WARNING: <rant>
The "big gas & oil" will not, NOT give up money voluntarily. That is the price of a capitolist society. With that money comes power to make (essentially) laws that are self promoting. To wait for laws and emmissions restrictions to be passed into law is ludicrous! WE, as in you and I, need to take action now, by doing our part. Education of the masses is imperative!!

"No army is as strong as an idea whose time has come"

But we need to get the idea to the people, or it does no good. You cant blame someone for lack of action through ignorance. You can only blame them for lack of knowledge, or caring. The real culprits are the "big gas & oil" and the average joe, who reads about it, understands it, but continues to get plastic bags at the grocery, and drive a gas-guzzling SUV.

The people have the power. period.

</rant>


Everyone please check out this web site www.stopglobalwarming.org/ (http://www.stopglobalwarming.org/)

Zerix01
08-23-05, 09:05 AM
Such a change begins with individual action. And individuals helping to educate other individuals. I have no faith in the US government helping with this, the current administration has absolutely no interest in this kind of change. We're on our own.


When someone is not doing their job they get fired, Bush does not seem to be doing his job. By ignoring this and thinking it's some sort of hippie babble he is endangering the people he is suppose to serve. How do we get rid of him? But then what will we do about Dick Cheney who last I checked is the dark sith lord of Bush.

Diana
08-23-05, 10:06 AM
How do we get rid of him? But then what will we do about Dick Cheney who last I checked is the dark sith lord of Bush.

We could barbeque them both and feed them to the omni-trolls who visit VB. Anyone got a nice recipe for a Bush/Cheney barbeque? (We could add a little dash of Rumsfeld for some extra spices). No need for a side-dish, we already have some Rice.