***Split from the "Biological Children--A Seeming Addiction?" thread***

I do have a MAJOR problem with my taxes going to public education. If I don't have/want kids why should I have to pay for other people's kids? Other people don't pay for my animals. - end vent.

Also, on a completely different tangent, and definately off course, I do have a MAJOR problem with my taxes going to public education. If I don't have/want kids why should I have to pay for other people's kids? Other people don't pay for my animals. - end vent.
Did you go to public school growing up? I guess I can understand why you wouldn't want to pay for others if you went to private school and your parents had to foot the whole bill.

Also, on a completely different tangent, and definately off course, I do have a MAJOR problem with my taxes going to public education. If I don't have/want kids why should I have to pay for other people's kids? Other people don't pay for my animals. - end vent.

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Also, on a completely different tangent, and definately off course, I do have a MAJOR problem with my taxes going to public education. If I don't have/want kids why should I have to pay for other people's kids? Other people don't pay for my animals. - end vent.
Do you have a solution for public education funding, then?

Do you have a solution for public education funding, then?

No, she doesn't.

I'm not really bothered by paying for public education. I mean, people are stupid enough with it.

Do you have a solution for public education funding, then?

How about the folks that chose to have the kids can pay for it? I realize that wouldn't be enough, but I do think parents should pay higher school taxes than people w/o kids or people paying to send their kid to a private school. My property taxes go up a ridiculous amount every year and the majority of the money goes to a school system I'll never have a kid in.

Since it was brought up, I have a problem paying taxes for public parks. Sure, kids need a place to play out of the street. But then they put signs up in most of them saying no dogs allowed. I don't think so. If I pay taxes for it, my fur children will use it. When anyone bothers to say anything (not often) I just tell them my dogs haven't learned to read the signs yet. :p

The point about everyone paying for education is that everyone benefits. When your tax money goes to pay for someone else's kid to be educated, you are not merely benefitting that kid's parents, you are benefitting yourself. Your tax dollars have paid to educate the vet that takes care of your dogs, the bank teller who cashes your cheques, the pharmicist who sells you headache tablets, the engineer who designed the road outside your house. All of these things are more possible, more affordable, with public education.

How about the folks that chose to have the kids can pay for it? I realize that wouldn't be enough, but I do think parents should pay higher school taxes than people w/o kids or people paying to send their kid to a private school. My property taxes go up a ridiculous amount every year and the majority of the money goes to a school system I'll never have a kid in.

Since it was brought up, I have a problem paying taxes for public parks. Sure, kids need a place to play out of the street. But then they put signs up in most of them saying no dogs allowed. I don't think so. If I pay taxes for it, my fur children will use it. When anyone bothers to say anything (not often) I just tell them my dogs haven't learned to read the signs yet. :p


I agree.

Or I think we should get a say on where we want our taxes to go - I'd rather see my chunk that goes to the school system go to animal shelters . . . I'd even prefer if my chunk went to fund better orphanages or help children without families. Even birth control funding.

The way I see it is that it's my money so I should have a say on where it goes, and I don't really want it to go to support someone else's child (when they do have parents who should do that.) Obviously children who have no parents need to be supported somehow.

Alfiedog, children are our future, whether they're my children, yours, or somebody elses. And you never know.... one day in the distant future you, or someone special to you, could be suffering from a serious disease. The cure for that disease may have been developed by a person who, with the help of tax payers, had public school education. You never know when your help might just pay off. It's similar to taxes going towards public health care. Most of the parents of those children you're talking about are paying taxes, which are going towards public health care. It might not benefit them in the future, if they're lucky, but it might benefit you one day.

How about the folks that chose to have the kids can pay for it? I realize that wouldn't be enough, but I do think parents should pay higher school taxes than people w/o kids or people paying to send their kid to a private school. My property taxes go up a ridiculous amount every year and the majority of the money goes to a school system I'll never have a kid in.

Since it was brought up, I have a problem paying taxes for public parks. Sure, kids need a place to play out of the street. But then they put signs up in most of them saying no dogs allowed. I don't think so. If I pay taxes for it, my fur children will use it. When anyone bothers to say anything (not often) I just tell them my dogs haven't learned to read the signs yet. :p

I have no idea how much of anybodies taxes go to schools. i am curious now. I would not object to a heavier tax load to pay for my own kids to go to school, but on the other hand, there are a lot of parents who have really low incomes and I hate to think about what things would be like if that many kids got NO education. Oh, and Wolfie, not tax-wise, but we are paying a much heavier load for our kids schooling than you are. The damned school supplies alone were over $300 for the two kids, not to mention the clothes, gym shoes, the stuff we will have to buy if one kid joins band, etc. :p

All that and the public ed. system still sucks though. :(

I have no idea how much of anybodies taxes go to schools. i am curious now. I would not object to a heavier tax load to pay for my own kids to go to school, but on the other hand, there are a lot of parents who have really low incomes and I hate to think about what things would be like if that many kids got NO education. :(

this will sound harsh, but perhaps poor people who will not be able to give an education to their children should not have them. i find it irksome, to say the least, when some people i know say they will have kids and just have the government support them. the public education system is just an extension of welfare. let's say, if i was dirt poor and know i would not be able to feed my potential children, then it would be unwise for me to have them relying on the help of others.

this will sound harsh, but perhaps poor people who will not be able to give an education to their children should not have them. i find it irksome, to say the least, when some people i know say they will have kids and just have the government support them. the public education system is just an extension of welfare. let's say, if i was dirt poor and know i would not be able to feed my potential children, then it would be unwise for me to have them relying on the help of others.

Did any of you go to public school?

It's not the childrens fault if they have parents who make poor decisions so why should they suffer? I feel we should take care of all children and it's so sad that children in general are not considered a priority. When we are a bunch of drooling old farts todays kids will be running the show and we shouldn't let the disparity between the rich and poor grow wider.

48% of my property taxes go to my districts public schools. So I give $912 a year to the school system...I have no kids. But I'm ok with it to a point because the kids are our future. Just don't ask me to pass any more levies to fund an already failing system. I'm paying more than my share. My peeve are the commerical buildings and new homes that are tax abated for 10, 15, even 20 years. There is mega money that the schools are doing without due to abatements and normal Joe's are asked through levies to bear the extra burden. But, I'm going way off topic here.

If you want to know how your property taxes are spent, go to your county's webpage and look for the auditor's link. That's how it worked on my countys site anyhow. It's public info so it will be there, if anyone is curious and has a little extra time to spend searching.

Did any of you go to public school?

It's not the childrens fault if they have parents who make poor decisions so why should they suffer? I feel we should take care of all children and it's so sad that children in general are not considered a priority. When we are a bunch of drooling old farts todays kids will be running the show and we shouldn't let the disparity between the rich and poor grow wider.

yes, i went to public school. but not because my family was lacking in resources. my parents were forced to pay thousands upon thousands of dollars a year in taxes to fund the public school system. with a fraction of that, they could have send me to a private school.



and though children should not be the victims of their parents' poor decisions, the way the system is set up right now, it 'encourages' a lot of poor decision making.

yes, i went to public school. but not because my family was lacking in resources. my parents were forced to pay thousands upon thousands of dollars a year in taxes to fund the public school system. with a fraction of that, they could have send me to a private school.


How much tax money did they pay? Private school is pretty expensive. . .

close to ten K a year. versus a catholic school which charged a little over half of that. this is what i don't get, the catholic schools with a greater student to teacher ratio, and half the tuition, do it so much better. go figure.
Catholic schools aren't typical private schools, they are less expensive than most.

heh, vggiegirl why you lookin for me?

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"For one thing a private school is not "providing an eductation for 5000" when they are providing it for 20,000 and subsidizing 15,000 of the costs."

Remilard, where are these 'official' stats from?

[QUOTE=remilard] For one thing a private school is not "providing an eductation for 5000" when they are providing it for 20,000 and subsidizing 15,000 of the costs.
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where are these 'official' stats from?

I was providing an example, you have already admitted that, despite your parents paying 200,000 a year in taxes, you qualify for a subsidized 5000 rate. What is the normal unsubsidized rate at this school?

Are you claiming that private school tests scores are higher because they provide a better education?

There is a stronger correlation between test scores and household income and that correlation "absorbs" most of the correlation that can be shown between private v public and test scores.

Nope. Just putting the facts out there, or rather links with facts pertaining to the conversation.

I think that (and what this has morphed into actually) should be another thread.

Nope. Just putting the facts out there.

I think that (and what this has morphed into actually) should be another thread.

Actually you said it was because of student to teacher ratio, I think it is because private school students come from wealthy families, on balance. I believe my position is supported by the fact that public school students from wealthy families score as high has private school students.

Family background seems to be biggest factor determining success on standardized tests.

I was providing an example, you have already admitted that, despite your parents paying 200,000 a year in taxes, you qualify for a subsidized 5000 rate. What is the normal unsubsidized rate at this school?

about 7,000 without subsidization. and I never said my parents paid 200,000 in taxes. in the district they live at, the ratio going to the public schools is higher than the one you are using.

about 7,000 without subsidization. and I never said my parents paid 200,000 in taxes. in the district they live at, the ratio going to the public schools is higher than the one you are using.

Education is 5% of the federal budget, you said 10,000 of your parents tax money went to pay for education. 10,000/.05 = 200,000

Please show me where I went wrong in my calculation.

You're numbers are wrong. For one thing a private school is not "providing an eductation for 5000" when they are providing it for 20,000 and subsidizing 15,000 of the costs.

For another thing, for you to claim that 10,000 of your parents tax money goes to fund public education (which is at what? 5% of the federal budget) they would have to be paying some 200,000 per annum in taxes. If they are paying that much in taxes, or even if they are paying 10,000 and we are assuming that all tax money funds education, you wouldn't even qualify for subsidized private school tuition.

The only question that remains is which one of these numbers (I guess all) did you just completely make up?


You are making some serious mistakes in your argument.
Education may be (not sure, and I don't feel like looking it up) 5% of the federal budget, but most education funding still comes from state and local sources, particularly property taxes and local sales taxes. It would not be a stretch form some to pay "thousands and thousands" in local school taxes, depending on the area, the level of funding for the schols, and so forth.