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jbphburg
08-01-05, 04:44 PM
Wow, pretty scary stuff, I really wouldn't want to be around in 50 years, i think it's gonna be a very environmentall scary worlldto live in.
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Published on Monday, August 1, 2005 by the Associated Press
Global Warming Making Hurricanes Stronger
by Joseph B. Verrengia


Is global warming making hurricanes more ferocious? New research suggests the answer is yes. Scientists call the findings both surprising and "alarming" because they suggest global warming is influencing storms now — rather than in the distant future.

However, the research doesn't suggest global warming is generating more hurricanes and typhoons.


Palm trees wave and the sea is whipped up by winds caused by Hurricane Emily in the seaside town of La Pesca in northeastern Mexico July 20, 2005. Hurricane Emily slammed into northeastern Mexico and the U.S. border area on July 20, forcing thousands of people to run for cover and threatening dangerous mudslides. Photo by Andrew Winning/Reuters
The analysis by climatologist Kerry Emanuel of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology shows for the first time that major storms spinning in both the Atlantic and the Pacific since the 1970s have increased in duration and intensity by about 50 percent.

These trends are closely linked to increases in the average temperatures of the ocean surface and also correspond to increases in global average atmospheric temperatures during the same period.

"When I look at these results at face value, they are rather alarming," said research meteorologist Tom Knutson. "These are very big changes."

Knutson, who wasn't involved in the study, works in the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration's Geophysical Fluid Dynamics Laboratory in Princeton, N.J.

Emanuel reached his conclusions by analyzing data collected from actual storms rather than using computer models to predict future storm behavior.

Before this study, most researchers believed global warming's contribution to powerful hurricanes was too slight to accurately measure. Most forecasts don't have climate change making a real difference in tropical storms until 2050 or later.

But some scientists questioned Emanuel's methods. For example, the MIT researcher did not consider wind speed information from some powerful storms in the 1950s and 1960s because the details of those storms are inconsistent.

Researchers are using new methods to analyze those storms and others going back as far as 1851. If early storms turn out to be more powerful than originally thought, Emmanuel's findings on global warming's influence on recent tropical storms might not hold up, they said.

"I'm not convinced that it's happening," said Christopher W. Landsea, another research meteorologist with NOAA, who works at a different lab, the Atlantic Oceanographic & Meteorological Laboratory in Miami. Landsea is a director of the historical hurricane reanalysis.

"His conclusions are contingent on a very large bias removal that is large or larger than the global warming signal itself," Landsea said.

Details of Emanuel's study appear Sunday in the online version of the journal Nature.

Theories and computer simulations indicate that global warming should generate an increase in storm intensity, in part because warmer temperatures would heat up the surface of the oceans. Especially in the Atlantic and Caribbean basins, pools of warming seawater provide energy for storms as they swirl and grow over the open oceans.

Emanuel analyzed records of storm measurements made by aircraft and satellites since the 1950s. He found the amount of energy released in these storms in both the North Atlantic and the North Pacific oceans has increased, especially since the mid-1970s.

In the Atlantic, the sea surface temperatures show a pronounced upward trend. The same is true in the North Pacific, though the data there is more variable, he said.

"This is the first time I have been convinced we are seeing a signal in the actual hurricane data," Emanuel said in an e-mail exchange.

"The total energy dissipated by hurricanes turns out to be well correlated with tropical sea surface temperatures," he said. "The large upswing in the past decade is unprecedented and probably reflects the effects of global warming."

This year marked the first time on record that the Atlantic spawned four named storms by early July, as well as the earliest category 4 storm on record. Hurricanes are ranked on an intensity scale of 1 to 5.

In the past decade, the southeastern United States and the Caribbean basin have been pummeled by the most active hurricane cycle on record. Forecasters expect the stormy trend to continue for another 20 years or more.

Even without global warming, hurricane cycles tend to be a consequence of natural salinity and temperature changes in the Atlantic's deep current circulation that shift back and forth every 40 to 60 years.

Since the 1970s, hurricanes have caused more property damage and casualties. Researchers disagree over whether this destructiveness is a consequence of the storms' growing intensity or the population boom along vulnerable coastlines.

"The damage and casualties produced by more intense storms could increase considerably in the future," Emanuel said.
© 2005 Associated Press

Ludi
08-01-05, 09:58 PM
What I think is interesting is how so much of the global climate change effects are occuring now, when many (non scientific community) people still believe global climate change is something that is going to happen in the future. People still seem to be so much in denial about it, even though the effects are present and visible now.

jbphburg
08-02-05, 12:08 AM
Ludi, I agree with you again. I believe that many people expect environmental change to progress, as if charted on a graph, in a slow linear progression, whereas it's coming on like a rapid 'J' shaped curve, sudden and significant change, I genuinely think humanity could be reduced to remnant populations within a century; coastal peoples could be completely screwed within a really short time span. Ugh, environmental scientists are the experts, but politicians and business people, with limited or no knowledge of the issues, shape the policies, not a good idea.

Lina666
08-02-05, 12:49 AM
There would be less global warming if slaughterhouses were banned. Sad really.

Scottwilliams
08-02-05, 02:44 AM
Yeah, It's really scarry to think that global warming and these problems with our enviornment are progressing in OUR time, and that we will have to deal with them, the effects are very real and very much around us, as most people should see.

Also, Lina666 could you explain your comment to me a bit further, I didnt know that, and would like to hear more on that.

jbphburg
08-02-05, 11:28 AM
Cows emit large quantities of methane.

silverundertone
08-02-05, 09:11 PM
What I think is interesting is how so much of the global climate change effects are occuring now, when many (non scientific community) people still believe global climate change is something that is going to happen in the future. People still seem to be so much in denial about it, even though the effects are present and visible now.

heh..they seem to be even more intent on wasting the worlds resources..driving their ****ing huge suv's....now that the environmental issues are more prevailed..

das_nut
08-03-05, 09:40 PM
I've heard the (apparently mainstream) theory that the North Atlantic has a natural surface-temperature occilation that takes place over many decades. This leads to decades of more hurricanes, and decades of less hurricanes.

Currently, we appear to be in one of those decades of 'more hurricanes' until about 2010.

Yet this study seems to ignore the idea of a natural cycle and wants to blame global warming without saying why the natural cycle theory is wrong.

As usual, I'm skeptical. ;)

fyvel
08-04-05, 12:59 AM
Ah, but skepticism is good. It's blind belief that is bad ;)

Ludi
08-04-05, 10:02 AM
Climatologists take into account the normal cycles. Of course. They know more about them than we do. You think maybe they don't?

megveggie
12-18-05, 09:35 PM
BIG BUMP!!!!
Has anyone seen The Day After Tomorrow? This is sort of like that.

Day After Tomorrow website- http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0319262/

inie
12-19-05, 08:28 AM
I've heard the (apparently mainstream) theory that the North Atlantic has a natural surface-temperature occilation that takes place over many decades. This leads to decades of more hurricanes, and decades of less hurricanes.

Currently, we appear to be in one of those decades of 'more hurricanes' until about 2010.

Yet this study seems to ignore the idea of a natural cycle and wants to blame global warming without saying why the natural cycle theory is wrong.

As usual, I'm skeptical. ;)

The studies I've read seem to take many of these cycles in account. And, the North Atlantic Oscillation isn't so much as a theorie, as a measured effect. It affect the ammount of hurricanes as well as their strenght, but the strenght of hurricanes seems to increase much more then the North Atlantic Oscillation can account for. The number of hurricanes not so much.
Anyway, the researches about hurricanes are far from finished, but people are under pressure to publish becasue of the extreme ammount of hurricanes this year. We'll see what happens, but it's likely that warming of the ocean will cause stronger hurricanes to form.