'Signs of Outrage'

[lauratiara]

Road sign irks cowboy: free speech and free litter cleanup hang in the balance.
linkage (http://www.slweekly.com/editorial/2005/politics_2005-06-23.cfm)

“To my people, the cowboys and the other people that live in my district, that sign is offensive, because it’s wrong, [meat] is not murder,” Johnson said. “It’s our livelihood, we love those animals, take care of them, and they provide food for a lot of people.”

[FreshTart]

I don't know why this would surprise anyone. When you start attacking people's livlihoods, you should expect those people to be upset.

Kinda like how vegans get mad when omnis offer them steak :rolleyes:

[dk_art]

ALthough I don't agree with "meat is murder" since murder is a defined word and it involves humans only, I do disagree when the cowboy says "we love those animals"

I just can't believe that is any more than just a thing he said to the media. They are a product on legs to the meat industry

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" the culprits left behind a clutter of multicolored shotgun shells and a coyote carcass with the ears lopped off."
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Personally though , I really find the name "Meat is Murder" is a pathetic and distasteful name for a vegan restaurant and to be honest I probably wouldn't go to a place with that name. Where's the positivity anyway ??

Well I guess that proves that cowboys love the animals and that meat isn't "murder"
:rolleyes:

[Sevenseas]

ALthough I don't agree with "meat is murder" since murder is a defined word and it involves humans onlyIf that is so, what is offensive about 'meat is murder' since it's the same as "meat = premeditated unlawful killing of a human"? That would be so obviously factually incorrect that I don't see any reason to be offended. Does he think that someone will go "oh, meat kills humans and is illegal, I didn't know that"?

(Yes, I know why he finds it offensive, it's because murder is used to mean immoral killing and not the dictionary definition. Which is why bringing up the dictionary in these kind of contexts is not very relevant.)

[dk_art]

Well I was just saying that I don't agree with the phrase "meat is murder" since by definition it is not. That really had nothing to do with the story really.

[lauratiara]

I don't know why this would surprise anyone. When you start attacking people's livlihoods, you should expect those people to be upset.

Kinda like how vegans get mad when omnis offer them steak :rolleyes:
:rolleyes:
Attacking people's livlihoods?? Whatever are you talking about?

I definately won't be needing to join your support group! :dizzy:

[silverundertone]

:rolleyes:
Attacking people's livlihoods?? Whatever are you talking about?

I definately won't be needing to join your support group! :dizzy:

i think kristas just trying to state the obvious....people get offended when someone insults their way of life..doesnt make either person right or wrong...

[FreshTart]

People who raise cows for meat do that as their job. That is their livlihood. Therefore, these signs are attacking their jobs and what they do for a living.

What part of that was difficult to understand?

[Pasta>Cruelty]

When you start attacking people's livlihoods, you should expect those people to be upset.

I see your point, but think of it this way-professional athletes are questioned, insulted, and ridiculed every day by the public for their performance. I can't imagine they like it, but they don't have the right to tell their detractors not to come to a game. Therefore, the cowboys don't have a right to suggest that the sign be removed.

[FreshTart]

I'm just pointing out that the reaction is expected. I couldn't care less about the sign itself.

[Pasta>Cruelty]

I'm just pointing out that the reaction is expected. I couldn't care less about the sign itself.
OK. I didn't understand that from your previous post.

[ynaffit]

Personally though , I really find the name "Meat is Murder" is a pathetic and distasteful name for a vegan restaurant and to be honest I probably wouldn't go to a place with that name. Where's the positivity anyway ??
i agree. :stinkeye:

[prairie_girl]

my dad is a cattle farmer. and he really does love his animals. maybe not as much as he should, but he does.

[Scratch]

Oh no! A sign is going to ruin their lives and their businesses! Just think of all those people getting a different point of view! The horror, the horror, etc etc.

[Kiz]

my dad is a cattle farmer. and he really does love his animals. maybe not as much as he should, but he does.

He loves them but he kills them for profit? Uh.... I'll buy "he cares for their health and well-being." But love? I just hope he doesn't "love" you the same way.

[mountainvegan]

ALthough I don't agree with "meat is murder" since murder is a defined word and it involves humans only,

There are two types of definitions: 1) commonly used and currently accepted (dictionary) and, 2) proposed based on facts and logical relations. The use of murder in "Meat is murder" falls under 2), and I agree with it.

Would I stick the phrase on my car? No, most people are confused by the logical conection, etc. (unjustified killing) and I wouldn't put it past some people to key or otherwise vandalize my car because of a sticker.

Would I go to a vegan restaurant with that name? Definitely and daily if they had good food. :up:

[dk_art]

"The use of murder in "Meat is murder" falls under 2), and I agree with it."
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Well I don't like or agree with the phrase so I said so. It's the same if some soldier in a battle was killed in normal combat ...that wouldn't be murder either. I might disagree with that particular war and feel it's all unjust but it still doesn't make that example 'murder'. Sorry if I'm a stickler for word definitions at least in this case but the phrase just seems to sit wrong with me.

I also don't like the phrase "cruelty free" when it comes to veganism.

[FreshTart]

I also don't like the phrase "cruelty free" when it comes to veganism.

Having met some very cruel vegans (and vegetarians), I also do not use the term.

[Katt Fink]

“They shot them and shot them and shot them until there was really nothing left to shoot,” said Hatch, adding that the culprits left behind a clutter of multicolored shotgun shells and a coyote carcass with the ears lopped off.

Whew.. all that over a highway sign? Sounds to me like there are a few too many hormones in all that meat they're eating. Maybe they really ought to support Mr. Hatch's cause and go eat some veggies at his restaurant :lol:

[lauratiara]

Oh no! A sign is going to ruin their lives and their businesses! Just think of all those people getting a different point of view! The horror, the horror, etc etc.
:up: My sentiments exactly.