Does Febreeze test on animals? I noticed their little IAMS logo on the back of my parent's bottle and it says "safe for cats and dogs" or whatever... do they?

I'm pretty sure they do, I got an anti-animal testing leaflet a few months ago with products to boycott on them and Febreeze was on there.

Febreze is owned by infamous animal torturers Procter & Gamble.

Here is a list of companies that do/don't test
http://www.caringconsumer.com/searchcompany.asp

An idea for "fake Febreze"
http://www.thriftyfun.com/tf243748.tip.html

How do you think they know it's safe for your pets? Yep, you guessed it. They tested it on animals in the first place. P&G suck.

FYI, the Iams Company is also owned by Procter & Gamble. So it's basically one P&G product endorsing another P&G product.

An idea for "fake Febreze"
http://www.thriftyfun.com/tf243748.tip.html

Arm & Hammer also test on animals. so use a different brand of baking soda and fabric softener.

I'm so upset now. Febreeze was the coolest thing in the world until 30 seconds ago.

Well, try this Ecomall page. (http://www.ecomall.com/biz/house.htm) Maybe there's a product/company out there that can replace it. I never buy the stuff in "normal" grocery stores anyway; I tend not to trust them when they seemingly can't (read "won't") put a full list of ingredients on their product packages :|

Can someone give me a veggie friendly brand of baking soda? I bought some furniture at a garage sale and want to remove any odors that could be present.

Baking soda isn't tested on animals.

Baking soda isn't tested on animals.

So?

crystalteacup wants a "vegan friendly" baking soda - baking soda is vegan.

grimey_snoozer sais Arm and Hammers tests on animals, so people can't use their baking soda.

I wanted to point out that baking soda is not tested on animals, so it's vegan.

If I were trying to buy baking soda from a company that doesn't test on animals, first I'd go to the health food store and see if a more conscientious, ethical company was making baking soda (more likely to be at health food store or the "natural" section of a more conventional store). If not, I might go someplace like the dollar store or Wallgreen's pharmacy and see if they have an off brand or a store brand of baking soda (which doesn't necessarily mean a company like A and H didn't make it and put a store label on it - but I wouldn't be supporting A and H directly).

Note: by one definition of vegan as not just diet but an all-encompassing ("cruelty-free" re. animals) lifestyle, not buying animal-tested products where possible would be considered more vegan.

But if you bought the grocery store brand, for example, they also often have cold medications, etc. Those are tested on animals. So, you are still buying from a company that tests on animals.

Also, it's wonderbar that you have access to a HFS or that you can afford their overpriced items, however I highly doubt the average person and even the average vegan will choose the $3 box of baking soda over the 50 cent box for the same size. Especially since both are vegan.

I wanted to point out that baking soda is not tested on animals, so it's vegan.

not how it works

People should do what they feel most comfortable with. Not all "natural" items are more expensive (or vastly more expensive) than conventional items. And a store brand likely contracts with many different companies to get copies of common items. It may be a step removed from the money going directly to the major animal testing company regardless.

Re. the comment "since both are vegan" - I don't really consider, say, buying from Proctor and Gamble vegan - but I tend to use a more all-encompassing definition of the term. People can decide for themselves though.

But if you bought the grocery store brand, for example, they also often have cold medications, etc. Those are tested on animals. So, you are still buying from a company that tests on animals.

Also, it's wonderbar that you have access to a HFS or that you can afford their overpriced items, however I highly doubt the average person and even the average vegan will choose the $3 box of baking soda over the 50 cent box for the same size. Especially since both are vegan.

I saw a cow pooping! :D







(sorry, people.... in-joke.)

From Wikipedia, a definition that separates "dietary vegans" from those who view it as a more encompassing lifestyle...

Veganism

A vegan is a person who avoids the ingestion or use of animal products. An animal product in this context refers to the body parts of an animal or any substance derived from an animal.

Many vegans avoid the use of all animal products, including, for example, leather shoes, cosmetics, toiletries, and household cleaners containing animal products, as well as products containing ingredients that have been tested on animals. Some vegans avoid using animals as food, but may nevertheless wear clothes made of materials derived from animals. These vegans are called "dietary vegans."

The term vegan is also used as an adjective to describe the philosophy and practice of respect for non-human animals, and the products that avoid their use.

So would you term a vegan who used Arm & Hammer products a "dietary vegan"?

Not necessarily. But I would make a distinction between someone who believes that veganism is only about diet and doesn't attempt to buy non-animal tested products, and someone who is working on their diet and making some effort to get such items as leather and animal tested products out of their life. Sometimes there may not be a choice, or you're given a product or whatever - so I think it's more about consciousness of the issue and working on a cruelty-free life re. animals, rather than perfection.

So would you term a vegan who used Arm & Hammer products a "dietary vegan"?

Personally if you ask me to decided whether or not someone is vegan I tend to be inclusive. If you ask me to decided whether or not something is vegan I tend to be exclusive. Know what I mean? I will only claim a product is vegan if it meets the standards of all reasonable vegans. Sometimes I will say something is vegan except for the sugar or something like that.

So then I would say that someone who uses Arm & Hammer Products (and is otherwise vegan) is a vegan. I would also say that Arm & Hammer products or not vegan or would say that their baking soda is vegan except that the company uses animal testing.

Personally if you ask me to decided whether or not someone is vegan I tend to be inclusive. If you ask me to decided whether or not something is vegan I tend to be exclusive. Know what I mean? I will only claim a product is vegan if it meets the standards of all reasonable vegans. Sometimes I will say something is vegan except for the sugar or something like that.

That makes perfect sense, and I agree.

So then I would say that someone who uses Arm & Hammer Products (and is otherwise vegan) is a vegan. I would also say that Arm & Hammer products or not vegan or would say that their baking soda is vegan except that the company uses animal testing.

Wait - you were asking about a distinction between "dietary vegan" and...I don't know what to call it..."ethical vegan" or I guess just "vegan" not qualified as per Wikipedia.

So the "is otherwise vegan" doesn't necessarily speak to that particular distinction. I'm thinking in this context that it means that they are otherwise making some effort, or are conscious of trying to get animal tested products out of their life...

ETA: I wouldn't necessarily be quibbling about definitions of vegan in this thread, except to answer krista's point about products being vegan or not.

I was just curious where your definition falls in terms of purchasing animal-tested products.

I try to buy from companies that don't test, but since we're poor there are some things I buy -- like dishwasher soap from the dollar store -- where I don't know the animal testing status. Or if Arm & Hammer detergent is on a really great sale, I might buy that, though I'd prefer to buy Ecover or whatever. I still think of myself as vegan because I am making efforts in nearly every way (clothing and products as well as food) -- even if financial considerations lead me to choose something I'd avoid if I wasn't drastically under-employed at present.

Hope that makes sense.