ok i dont have a story behind this beocus i heard it on a radio new show thng this morning they where descusing it.

aperently there where two pitbulls and male and female. the femail was in heat so the mom of a little boy who lived in the house felt woried for her son aginst the dogs.

so when she went to run some airends she locked her son in the basement. well her son got out and suposably grabbed a shovel to defend himself. when the mother came home her son was dead, biten and bleeding.

the cops shot and killed the femail pitbull without nowing if it was her and put the male in the pound or watever.

my own opinion: but what proof do they have that the boy did not hit the pitbull with the shovel feelng threatend so the pitbull feeling threatened in return atacked back. pules why kill the femail pitbull with no proof it was her. :rolleyes: :(

Locked her son in the basement?! Why didn't she lock up the dogs. That's so sad.

My own opinion: The mother should be charged with negligent homocide.

(BTW, hw much you want to bet that they weren't pit bulls. Human-aggression is a rare trait in American Pit Bull Terriors.)

Seems there are lots of articles about it... Here's the AP take:

http://www.suntimes.com/output/news/cst-nws-dog13.html

Boy who was killed by pit bull had been locked in basement

June 13, 2005

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SAN FRANCISCO -- The mother of a 12-year-old boy killed in his own home by one of the family's two pit bulls says she had been so concerned about one of the dogs that she shut her son in the basement to protect him.

Maureen Faibish said she ordered Nicholas to stay in the basement while she did errands on June 3, the day he was attacked by one or both of the dogs. She said she was worried about the male dog, Rex, who was acting possessive because the female, Ella, was in heat.

''I put him down there, with a shovel on the door,'' Faibish said in an interview with the San Francisco Chronicle. ''And I told him: 'Stay down there until I come back.' Typical Nicky, he wouldn't listen to me.''

Nicholas apparently found a way to open the basement door.

Despite her concerns about Rex that day, Faibish told the newspaper: ''My kids got along great with [the dogs]. We were never seeing any kind of violent tendencies.''

Found covered in blood



Faibish found her son's body in a bedroom. He was covered in blood from several wounds, including a major head injury. No charges have been filed.

''It's Nicky's time to go,'' she said in the interview. ''When you're born you're destined to go and this was his time.''

Ella was shot to death by a police officer the day of the attack. Rex was taken to a shelter, but Faibish said she wanted him put down.

AP

ok i dont have a story behind this beocus i heard it on a radio new show thng this morning they where descusing it.

aperently there where two pitbulls and male and female. the femail was in heat so the mom of a little boy who lived in the house felt woried for her son aginst the dogs.

so when she went to run some airends she locked her son in the basement. well her son got out and suposably grabbed a shovel to defend himself. when the mother came home her son was dead, biten and bleeding.

the cops shot and killed the femail pitbull without nowing if it was her and put the male in the pound or watever.

my own opinion: but what proof do they have that the boy did not hit the pitbull with the shovel feelng threatend so the pitbull feeling threatened in return atacked back. pules why kill the femail pitbull with no proof it was her. :rolleyes: :(


How horrifying. (the boy, not the dog)

I don't think they should have killed her, but she was clearly a danger. True, they had no proof that the boy didn't hit the dog with the shovel, but the boy was attacked and killed by the two dogs.

I know there are a lot of pitbull advocates on this board. I advocate for pitbulls who do not maul people. As for the others, I'm sorry, but I cannot defend letting a dangerous dog go around killing children. Dangerous dogs should be kept where they can't hurt anyone. They should not be allowed to roam free. This will probably get me flamed, but it's insanity to me that people are willing to defend vicious, violent animals.

i'm not saying the pitbulls should be placed in a home with another family and all im just saying it was wronge to shot her when they had no solid proof and than take the mail to the shelter. ive been atacked by a dog not a pitbull though and i know its scary and can kill you but people can tend to jump to conclushions the way they wish to see them.

I don't think the police officers did anything wrong in that situation.

i'm not saying the pitbulls should be placed in a home with another family and all im just saying it was wronge to shot her when they had no solid proof and than take the mail to the shelter. ive been atacked by a dog not a pitbull though and i know its scary and can kill you but people can tend to jump to conclushions the way they wish to see them.

The boy was killed by the two dogs, obviously. The proof was that they found the boy dead and bitten. Obviously the dogs killed him.

Am I alone in thinking the mother was a total weirdo? Ok, so 12 years old isn't an unreasonably young age to leave a child at home by him/herself, but if she was that worried about the aggressiveness of the dogs, why not just make the kid go along with you? And, if for some reason, taking him along was completely impossible, why lock the KID in the basement? Also, what mother just kinda shrugs it off and says "Oh well, it was his time..." when they lose a child? I mean, I know there are some very mellow and in-tune-with-the-universe people out there, and some people are much more/less emotional than others, but who plays it off just like that about a situation that (seems to me) most likely could have been prevented? I just don't know about some people...

Am I alone in thinking the mother was a total weirdo? Ok, so 12 years old isn't an unreasonably young age to leave a child at home by him/herself, but if she was that worried about the aggressiveness of the dogs, why not just make the kid go along with you? And, if for some reason, taking him along was completely impossible, why lock the KID in the basement? Also, what mother just kinda shrugs it off and says "Oh well, it was his time..." when they lose a child? I mean, I know there are some very mellow and in-tune-with-the-universe people out there, and some people are much more/less emotional than others, but who plays it off just like that about a situation that (seems to me) most likely could have been prevented? I just don't know about some people...


You're definitely not alone. I found the whole thing incredibly odd--like, how she said, "Typical Nicky!" As if she were laughing about her kid's tendency to get into the cookie jar, instead of escaping from the locked basement to meet his death... At first glance, I would say that the police need to investigate her a little further...at the very least question why she would lock her son in the basement with dangerous pitbills waiting upstairs.

I agree that the mother should be charged with negligent homicide.

The story is an odd one, at the least. I wonder whether it really happened the way the mother described.

not being strictly on topic, but there was a fatal dog attack a couple of days ago that didnt even make the news, because it wasent a pit bull that killed him

i swear.

^It seems that people like to jump on certain breeds,namely rottweilers and pitbulls.I don't know much about pitbulls...are they really aggressive?I read so much about how they are viscious and that training them is useless.

The mother seems suspicious.Who locks their child in the basement with dangerous dogs roaming around upstairs?She couldn't take him along?
It was not "his time" to die;it could have been prevented.

Also,if pitbulls are very aggressive in nature then why would you pick them as companion animals for your child...not one,but two supposedly viscious dogs?
I don't understand.

Locked her son in the basement?! Why didn't she lock up the dogs. That's so sad.

My own opinion: The mother should be charged with negligent homocide.

(BTW, hw much you want to bet that they weren't pit bulls. Human-aggression is a rare trait in American Pit Bull Terriors.)

I saw one of the dogs on the news, and it was infact a bitbull. This story makes me so sad. The mother needs to be charged with neglegent homicide...definately. Lock the dogs in the basement, not the kid!! Take your child with you if you believe he's in danger. I just cannot understand her total LACK of common sense.

I think pitbulls have a bad rap, and it's unfortunate that they are the only dogs that get publically vilified over and over. They aren't even in the top 3 most vicious dogs. According to animal control the top 3 are German Shepards, Chows and Cocker Spaniels. However, the story behind pitbull attacks is always the same. "It was a family dog, very sweet, never hurt anybody....we just didn't see it coming" I have seen a pitbull attack, I've seen the results, and I've lived next to vicious pitbulls in 2 different residencies. One had to be put down because it attacked 4 people on four different occasions, one of them was my roomate. I think pitbulls are beautiful dogs, but I would never care for one in my home. I have a small child to think of. I love dogs, but I'm not fond of the idea of ever having one for a pet....unless it's a golden retreiver (sp?). I have been attacked by dogs, and chased by dogs more times than I like to think about. They are terribly unpredictable animals. I would never leave my child unattended with a dog...for their safety and his. My mother has 2 dogs I know very well, and I don't take my eyes off of them when Kai is playing with them.

Cocker spaniels??!!?Wow I never new.

I can think of 5 seperate occasions that I was chased by a Cocker Spaniel ready to attack me for no apparant reason. They are tempermental as all heck!!

i didnt see it on the news so i dont know what the dogs looked like. THe mother had to have some kind of problums if she locked her son in basement and said Tipical nicky when her son had just been killed. but ive heared of neglect to children or just not carring befor so its not that suspishus to me.

Why not just take the kids on the errand with her? Doh! What an idiot.

This lady was an idiot. What the heck?

Personally I think that she might be trying to cover something more sinister up. I mean her story makes no sense from a common sense point of view. "I locked my son up in the basement instead of taking him with me because my dogs were soooooo dangerious" :no:

I did find out some 'back' story on this incident which puts a different perspective on it.

These dogs were outside dogs only, the father (in the family) was the 'alpha' of the pack and he was out of town. Meanwhile, the family was moving so inside they had all their stuff packed up in boxes. For some reason, the dogs were allowed inside, besides their lack of socialization they were dealing with being allowed inside for the first time, having an empty house with boxes and no alpha. Obviously they were anxious and confused, etc.

:( Just reading how the San Fran mayor is now considering a breed ban.

yeah, the mom sounds shady... and why didn't they have the dogs fixed? then the female wouldn't have been in heat and this never would have happened. i think they should investigate the mom too... she's shrugging it off like it's nothing.

breed-specific bans are crap... so what if a black 30-year-old male kills someone, or a white trailer trash guy with a mullet rapes someone? do we go around killing all black 30-year-old males and trailer trash mullet sporting dudes?

^It seems that people like to jump on certain breeds,namely rottweilers and pitbulls.I don't know much about pitbulls...are they really aggressive?I read so much about how they are viscious and that training them is useless.

The mother seems suspicious.Who locks their child in the basement with dangerous dogs roaming around upstairs?She couldn't take him along?
It was not "his time" to die;it could have been prevented.

Also,if pitbulls are very aggressive in nature then why would you pick them as companion animals for your child...not one,but two supposedly viscious dogs?
I don't understand.

i used to have a rottweiler..and he was the gentlest sweetest dog id ever known...i honestly think that breed discrimination is ****ing bull****...
90% of how a dog turns out is how you treat it...and the quality of interaction between other dogs and humans...i understand that certain breeds are predisposed to aggression...but if you treat them right...theres almost no chance theyll act on those instincts.

yeah, the mom sounds shady... and why didn't they have the dogs fixed? then the female wouldn't have been in heat and this never would have happened. i think they should investigate the mom too... she's shrugging it off like it's nothing.

breed-specific bans are crap... so what if a black 30-year-old male kills someone, or a white trailer trash guy with a mullet rapes someone? do we go around killing all black 30-year-old males and trailer trash mullet sporting dudes?

no..we go after the white man for allowing it to happen...
its a double standard...pretty much any other 'race' can start **** about white people...but if you even say something thats remotely racist towards someone of a different culture or whatever..its your ass for it..cuz your white.

:( Just reading how the San Fran mayor is now considering a breed ban.
If it's that crazy mother that they're banning from breeding, I'm all for it. I really do hope she's charged with negligent homicide, and harboring dangerous animals. It's just crazy that she would let her dogs become like that, and then put her son in such a dangerous position with them. It takes a lot of neglect to make a pit bull go from being naturally protective of children, to aggressively killing one.

i used to have a rottweiler..and he was the gentlest sweetest dog id ever known...i honestly think that breed discrimination is ****ing bull****...
90% of how a dog turns out is how you treat it...and the quality of interaction between other dogs and humans...i understand that certain breeds are predisposed to aggression...but if you treat them right...theres almost no chance theyll act on those instincts.

I agree.Given the right environment,and the right person willing to train and guide the dog, I'd say that aggressive behavior could be pretty much stamped out. Breed banning is complete bull.