I feel sick right now, and it's day 4 on my 100% raw diet. I've been excersizing and eating well (and to my full-> not to much though). My stomach hurts like I should throw up, and I thought I would, but then I didn't. I've been working around sharpie marker today, so that might play a role in it (from the stink), or maybe I ate something bad? Is this diet for everyone? Because I'm thinking that maybe this diet just isn't right for me if I'm starting to feel unusually sick... I never feel sick! Who is the diet NOT right for? Could I posably be doing it wrong? I've eaten lots of smoothies for fruit, salads for veggies, and some raw nuts for protien etc. I thought that this was suppost to make me fill better!?!

:spew: :help: :sick:

What did you eat today, for example? Are you drinking enough water?

Maybe you're actually eating too much.

Some people will tell you it's your body adjusting or toxins, but personally I think it's simply you're body is rejecting the diet. Or you're high on marker fumes :D

I tried the raw diet for about 10 days or so, and I stopped because I was violently ill. I was also violently ill as a vegan (which I did for 3-4 months), but moreso on the raw diet.

Even now, if I have a day where I eat a mostly raw breakfast (fruit, yogurt, handful nuts), and a salad lunch, I am ready to vomit by 2pm.

/shrug

I drank water today, tonight when I was feeling so sick I thought that I might need some more, so I got a glass and drowned it, but it only made me feel sicker.

I ate:
1 Orange
apple slice
handful of walnuts
many raisons
a small smoothie (from mostly frozen fruit)
about 5 baby carrots
and a cup of pumpkin seeds
part of a salad (before I started to feel to sick)

It sounds like a lot, but compared to what and how much I ate on a nonraw vegan diet, it's not.

Some people will tell you it's your body adjusting or toxins, but personally I think it's simply you're body is rejecting the diet. Or you're high on marker fumes :D

I tried the raw diet for about 10 days or so, and I stopped because I was violently ill. I was also violently ill as a vegan (which I did for 3-4 months), but moreso on the raw diet.

Even now, if I have a day where I eat a mostly raw breakfast (fruit, yogurt, handful nuts), and a salad lunch, I am ready to vomit by 2pm.

/shrug

Do you know of any way to make my bodie except the diet? Maybe if I just do one raw meal per day for a while, then move to two meals and on up to completely raw? I'm doing fine on the vegan diet, havn't had troubles there.

How long did it take you to start feeling sick? Perhaps I should wate another day to make sher it's not the sharpies?

I ate:
1 Orange
apple slice
handful of walnuts
many raisons
a small smoothie (from mostly frozen fruit)
about 5 baby carrots
and a cup of pumpkin seeds
part of a salad (before I started to feel to sick)


I wouldn't call that a lot, personally. The first 4 could be breakfast, the smoothie and carrots lunch, and then you have a little supper (doesn't matter if you didn't eat in that order). You exercise, too?

It's possible that you had too much acidic foods. Hopefully rawveganmom or someone with more raw experience will reply and provide advice. I'd recommend having a banana or two in a day, though.

half a day on the raw diet = sick for me :)

But I will tell you - you've barely eaten. It maybe too much of a shock for your body. I think your suggestion of 1 meal a day is a good starting point, then gauge up to it.

I feel sick right now, and it's day 4 on my 100% raw diet. I've been excersizing and eating well (and to my full-> not to much though). My stomach hurts like I should throw up, and I thought I would, but then I didn't. I've been working around sharpie marker today, so that might play a role in it (from the stink), or maybe I ate something bad? Is this diet for everyone? Because I'm thinking that maybe this diet just isn't right for me if I'm starting to feel unusually sick... I never feel sick! Who is the diet NOT right for? Could I posably be doing it wrong? I've eaten lots of smoothies for fruit, salads for veggies, and some raw nuts for protien etc. I thought that this was suppost to make me fill better!?!

:spew: :help: :sick:


You're not doing anything wrong. You're detoxing. It's normal. Happened to me, too. Lots of people start a raw diet and then quit a few days later when they start feeling "ill". THey automatically think "oh wow. this isn't for me. it's not going to work. this ****ing sucks. i can't keep doing this if i'm going to feel this way"

But it passes. When you go through detox, your body is getting rid of all kinds of toxins and other things that have been cooped your whole cooked food life.

Check out http://www.rawfoodtalk.com Lots of advice on there about this sort of thing. Lots of people who felt like giving up and were feeling ill, just like you said.

Your body is trying to finally clean itself up and get healthy and in getting rid of those nasty toxins, you will feel it. I felt it.

Just remember to eat when you are hungry and pay attention to what your body is telling you. Once you've adjusted over to a raw food lifestyle, you'll find that you won't need as much food. When you ARE transitioning, people tend to need to eat until they feel full. You get more nutrients out of raw food than you do cooked food, so you don't need to eat as much.

Lots of people will tell you the raw diet is way too extreme and it's not normal. I've heard it plenty of times. I still hear it from people. But meat-eating people say the same thing about veg*ns.

Again, check out that site I mentioned above. There are quite a few people who have had bad detoxing experiences like you but have reaped the benefits that a raw food lifestyle has to offer. There are some people who have been eating raw food for many, many years and they are in the best shape that they've ever been in and way healthier than people on cooked food. It's totally possible for you, too.


Also, make sure you're getting enough greens in your food, too.

The "detox" syndrome is debatable.

I don't think thats nearly enough food for a day. Fruits/veggies are mostly water.

I know with me, if I eat much raw food (like eat a salad for a meal), I get sick. I must be part krista! I don't think its "detoxing" since it doesn't take more than a meal or two raw before I'm curled up in a fetal position moaning in pain.

The "detox" syndrome is debatable.


Some people have a harder time with detoxing than others. It all depends on how they've treated their body in the past and what kind of diet they are on when they decide to switch to raw.

Some people detox right away, others don't. Some people don't even detox at all and take right to a raw food lifestyle.

I don't think that I'm "detoxing", because this is how I've figured I would run my diet:
Untill I get set into motion (and have more money) I'm going to keep eating lots of unorganic foods that are raw. Once my body gets over the hump and I'm doing the raw thing (and have the money) I'll start adding more organic foods to my body... until then, I'm eating what I have (and what's cheap). I'll try eating more tomorow, because maybe I didn't eat enough... it's odd, but I havn't felt that hungry. Any way, the pain is gone now... I just want to make sher that it dosn't come back. And about the organic thing, I think that it's okay, isn't it? I'm just really limited in resourses, and trying to keep this a secret from my mom (who I live with) and trying to get over the hunger hump and all of that... Maybe if I will myself to eat, then I'll end up eating more and feeling hungry more?

One last question, which may be debatable... how about my bread/grains group? What are some things that I can make/ buy allready made that my mom won't notice? I want to keep this a secret for as long as posable, or until I think that my mom is ready to find out, or until I'm set in motion and feeling great, and think that I can get my mom to NOT complain about it.

Thanks for all of the replies, I'll go to the websight that I was given (thanks!) and see what happens and tell you about it.

Any additional comments will be read and apreciated :bow:

Some people have a harder time with detoxing than others. It all depends on how they've treated their body in the past and what kind of diet they are on when they decide to switch to raw.

Some people detox right away, others don't. Some people don't even detox at all and take right to a raw food lifestyle.

You misunderstand. I'm saying that the concept of "detox" is debatable, meaning that medical professionals debate if it really exists.

R_C - I'm so sorry :cry:

Jennifer - whoa. You're mom? Are you still a teenager?? If so, good god, no wonder you feel gross. <from this point on, assuming you are a teen> You are NOT eating enough and not the right foods. Not at all. You need a serious source of calcium and some salad are not going to do that. You are lacking B12, iron, zinc, omega 3, plus the calories that you need as a young person.

Please use fitday.com for a couple of days (or even today and see what you're scoring). Many teenage girls eat 2000-2300 calories to function, more if they are exercising. Please don't mess with your health.

Her occupation does say high school student.

I agree with Krista, eat more. Can you have legumes on a raw diet, like lentils and chick peas? Those would help, as well as some ground up flax seed in your food. And avocado. There are also threads around here about people grinding up raw brown rice and other things that sounds appetizing and nutritious.

Krista: You got sick after half a DAY on raw? What did you eat?

Raw stuff :lol:

I have to eat Tums when I eat raw vegetables for god's sake :)

Geez. I guess I must have a strong stomach, I tend to eat raw food a lot and it doesn't bother me. I must be just lucky. :)

I drank water today, tonight when I was feeling so sick I thought that I might need some more, so I got a glass and drowned it, but it only made me feel sicker.

I ate:
1 Orange
apple slice
handful of walnuts
many raisons
a small smoothie (from mostly frozen fruit)
about 5 baby carrots
and a cup of pumpkin seeds
part of a salad (before I started to feel to sick)

It sounds like a lot, but compared to what and how much I ate on a nonraw vegan diet, it's not.

Oh my god, where is the protein?? :-( No where NEAR enough calories here. Raisins are high in calories but not enough to make up what you will be needing. Where is your calcium? You need some serious leafy greens, kale, stuff like that. "about 5 baby carrots" - have you had an ED before I'm wondering? Listen to freshtart! Eat more!!! :-)

You misunderstand. I'm saying that the concept of "detox" is debatable, meaning that medical professionals debate if it really exists.




My apologies. Thanks for clearing that up.

K, I am not a raw-vegan, though I do eat raw a lot of the time, but can I just ask, Freshtart, if you have some bias here, maybe, or some issues? You didn't repsond once, you responded four times, each time saying basically the same thing. Kinda seems like there is something going on there?

Anyway, I don't know how the body would do on a completely raw diet since I have never tried it, but I absolutely believe that it could be detoxification. How many smokers have you known who quit and start feeling worse immediately? They hack and cough like no one's business. Going vegetarian, you usually start eating MUCH more fibre, and that starts clearing stuff out of the intestines, which can create unpleasant feelings.

If you are very ill, though, you might obviously want to change your diet. It just seems to me, however (and please remember that this is just my opinion), that many people who go vegetarian or vegan or whatever it may be back out of it right away and blame feeling badly on it when the truth is they just don't want to do it. I'm not saying this is you, but it just rubs me the wrong way when I meet someone who tries to negate my whole vegan existence by saying, "Oh I went vegetarian for a month so-and-so many years ago and I felt horrible! I would never do it again!"

Oh my god, where is the protein?? :-( No where NEAR enough calories here. Raisins are high in calories but not enough to make up what you will be needing. Where is your calcium? You need some serious leafy greens, kale, stuff like that. "about 5 baby carrots" - have you had an ED before I'm wondering? Listen to freshtart! Eat more!!! :-)

Never had an ED, just didn't feel very hungry, and when I did, what I ate made me feel full... perhaps I'll try to talk myself into eating more, I've been taking pumpkin seeds with me everywhere to eat incase I get hungry, but I'll try taking some other things as well. I figured that my protien came from nuts and and I had salad, which is a leafy green- so that's calcuim, right? where does b12 come from?

I only ate that many baby carrots because then I ran out of 'em.

Maybe I need to unraw, this dosn't seem to be working! I wanted to go raw mostly because of this couple my teacher was telling me about, 70 year old fruitatarians who looked like they were 40, riding bikes everywhere instead of driving, and looking like they were in GREAT shape. I don't want to be some old woman being pushed around by my grandkids in a wheelchair around the nursing home some day.

The problem with snacking all day, is that soon I'll be a camp counsailer and won't be able to do that, and when I go back to school, unless I have some cool teachers, I defently can't do that.

The thing is, I think moderation is key. How about eating raw foods as often as possible, but also throwing in some other "healthy" foods? Like sprouted bread, or tempeh, over the course of the day. Somehow I doubt these things would detract too much from your goal. Take out as much processed stuff as you can, but not everything, unless you are capable of giving a lot of time and thought to your dietary needs. Don't eat those processed chips, or that candy, or other stuff that you might think are contrary to the "natural" diet. But don't restrict yourself so much that you are feeling bad (like you are now.) Its your body telling you that this might not be right for you.

Not just any lettuce has calcium, btw, some forms have more than others. Also broccoli has some calcium. But its not easy to get your calcium requirements from a totally raw diet without good planning. I'm not sure where you'll get B12 in a raw diet. The levels you'll find are not going to be sufficient, if any at all from, the dirt and bacteria on your food. You should be supplementing B12 as a raw foodist or a vegan. Its very important for many reasons, not the least your brain functions.

I recommend a book called "Becoming Vegan" - its a great starter course on nutrition. Also remember to watch your omega 3 intake, which you can get on a raw diet from walnuts or flax seed.

Also, the 70 year old couple who are rollerblading probably get as much from the fact that they are rollerblading as their diet. Staying physically active has as much to do, or even more to do with your longevity and youthfullness than your diet. Good luck! :-)

Well, I think that settles it. I'm giving up the raw thing, at least until I'm older (teen years are so important to good nutrition later in life), I know that a raw diet it very healthy, but I just can't dedicate that much time to it for the rest of my life... I'll have to come up with something different, a way to insure that my vegan diet will lead me to a healthy rest-of-the-life... I'm going to have to think about how I can make my vegan diet healthier, maybe I'll just do it by vowing to not buy junk food unless it is "all-natural/organic" and vegan, which will cut down on a lot of the bad stuff that I eat. I'll also start excersizing more, as this has always been a weak point for me, I have a dog that could despritally need some walks, and would love it if I gave them to her, so that'll work for now, untill camp starts, and then I'll be working with the kids and all of that. I'll find ways to become that 70 year old, somehow... just not 100% raw.

Jennifer,

take it easy ok!

A raw diet needs to be thought out. I'm not raw but I know a little bit about it.

Try to get a variety of foods into you, this will increase the likelihood of getting the complement of nutrients you need and also make for a more interesting diet you might actually stick to.

Protein can be found in most foods in varying quantities, nuts, legumes (sprouted alfalfa, mungbeans etc, also sprouted grains).

Calcium, try sesame seeds, nuts etc.

B12 is a contentious issue, I'm loathe to give advice on this one, basically on a raw food diet, eating garden grown vegetables may help (B12 on the surface from bacteria). But (and I will get hammered for this) I do believe that B12 is a necessary supplement for raw foodists and vegans.

You do need to earn quite a lot about nutrition, look up some reputable websites (I use Vegetarian Network Victoria (google it, i can't add websites till I get my posts up!)so don't know to many US veg ones).

High density/energy foods that might make you feel more full include avocado, coconut etc. these foods are relatively high in fat (monounsaturated for avocado and saturated for coconut). If you are a teenager, you do need significant amounts of these fats.

Have you looked for 'recipes'? There are heaps of inventive food combinations you can try.

Here's my own recipe for banana icecream below:

Banana Ice Cream

This is ridiculously simple; all you need is bananas. It’s adored by kids and adults alike and comes out like creamy soft -serve ice cream, yummy!
(Serves 2)

Ingredients:
4 large Bananas (choose ones that are just a little overripe for extra flavour and creaminess.)

Method:

Chop the bananas into pieces approximately 1cm or less in thickness. Lay the chopped pieces in a freezer proof container, making sure they are properly separated and laid out with maximum airspace. Place the container into the freezer and leave until frozen.
When required, take the container out of the freezer and leave at room temperature for approximately half an hour or until the pieces in the middle can be easily pierced by a fork but are still icy. Blend the banana pieces in a blender on low speed, making sure the mixture is thoroughly mixed by stopping it occasionally to stir. For a creamier texture, set blender to fast for the last part.

Add a lovely blended mixed berry sauce to top the whole thing off!

Variations: The banana is needed for that creamy soft serve texture, but approximately one third of the mixture can be other fruit. Try this recipe with one third mango, strawberry, peach or any other fruit combination which freezes well and will not compromise the creaminess (i.e. citrus fruits may not work well.)
Timesavers: Keep a stock of containers in the fridge for special occasions or when you feel like a treat. A very cheap and healthy alternative to the commercial vegan ice creams, especially when the fruit is purchased from a market.

You mentioned you were doing a lot of exercise, you might want to try the vegsource website, they have a 'rawfood and sport forum'.

But take care! Nobody wants to see you get ill!

And don't beat yourself up if you can't keep on the raw diet, even having a lot of fresh fruit and veggies in your diet is great!

cheers!

Heh he!

Just saw your post as I submitted mine!

Again, don't beat yourself up! Being vegan is fantastic! You're doing great!

Have funn at camp!

Jennifer,

take it easy ok!

A raw diet needs to be thought out. I'm not raw but I know a little bit about it.

Try to get a variety of foods into you, this will increase the likelihood of getting the complement of nutrients you need and also make for a more interesting diet you might actually stick to.

Protein can be found in most foods in varying quantities, nuts, legumes (sprouted alfalfa, mungbeans etc, also sprouted grains).

Calcium, try sesame seeds, nuts etc.

B12 is a contentious issue, I'm loathe to give advice on this one, basically on a raw food diet, eating garden grown vegetables may help (B12 on the surface from bacteria). But (and I will get hammered for this) I do believe that B12 is a necessary supplement for raw foodists and vegans.

You do need to earn quite a lot about nutrition, look up some reputable websites (I use Vegetarian Network Victoria (google it, i can't add websites till I get my posts up!)so don't know to many US veg ones).

High density/energy foods that might make you feel more full include avocado, coconut etc. these foods are relatively high in fat (monounsaturated for avocado and saturated for coconut). If you are a teenager, you do need significant amounts of these fats.

Have you looked for 'recipes'? There are heaps of inventive food combinations you can try.

Here's my own recipe for banana icecream below:

Banana Ice Cream

This is ridiculously simple; all you need is bananas. It’s adored by kids and adults alike and comes out like creamy soft -serve ice cream, yummy!
(Serves 2)

Ingredients:
4 large Bananas (choose ones that are just a little overripe for extra flavour and creaminess.)

Method:

Chop the bananas into pieces approximately 1cm or less in thickness. Lay the chopped pieces in a freezer proof container, making sure they are properly separated and laid out with maximum airspace. Place the container into the freezer and leave until frozen.
When required, take the container out of the freezer and leave at room temperature for approximately half an hour or until the pieces in the middle can be easily pierced by a fork but are still icy. Blend the banana pieces in a blender on low speed, making sure the mixture is thoroughly mixed by stopping it occasionally to stir. For a creamier texture, set blender to fast for the last part.

Add a lovely blended mixed berry sauce to top the whole thing off!

Variations: The banana is needed for that creamy soft serve texture, but approximately one third of the mixture can be other fruit. Try this recipe with one third mango, strawberry, peach or any other fruit combination which freezes well and will not compromise the creaminess (i.e. citrus fruits may not work well.)
Timesavers: Keep a stock of containers in the fridge for special occasions or when you feel like a treat. A very cheap and healthy alternative to the commercial vegan ice creams, especially when the fruit is purchased from a market.

You mentioned you were doing a lot of exercise, you might want to try the vegsource website, they have a 'rawfood and sport forum'.

But take care! Nobody wants to see you get ill!

And don't beat yourself up if you can't keep on the raw diet, even having a lot of fresh fruit and veggies in your diet is great!

cheers!

"Alot of excersize" means a lot more then I use to do before this week, LOL, not that I'm a sporty person :doh: . I went on a hike and really liked it,when I get my license in July i'll be able to drive myself to the parkway whenever I want and go on a hike (I only have one good hiking trail within a mile of my house, and I've walked it so many times that it's old now)

:hi: bye everyone, it was nice hangin' out with you in the raw section, but I'm going back to the vegan nonraw diet now. Nice getting to know ya'll, and thanks for all the help. RawMom (or whatever your sn is) keep on posting, I've read a lot from you and you seem like a great person... it would be awsome to be your dauter.