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Coney
April 27th, 2005, 05:25 PM
This is a good website in general, but they have lots of interesting articles on there. Lots of Natural Healing, making your own soap...that kind of thing.

http://houseofstrauss.co.uk/

Living outside the monetary system
"One of the toughest questions people ask me is 'What do you and your partner do?' Invariably in modern 21st century, this ambiguous question means, 'what do you do to earn money and pay your way in life?' Richard and I do not 'work' we have a two year old daughter and have chosen to be with her in order to provide her with what we perceive to be, an advantage in life; an advantage that money cannot buy.

Our chosen lifestyle does not provide us with an income, but after careful, introspective thought we realised that the things which make us happy; truly, intrinsically happy were not things which were money or 'purchase power' related. To break away from the myth that unless we have newer, better, faster we cannot be truly happy takes a lot of soul-searching and self-analysis; not so much to reach that realisation, but to have the conviction and courage to live by that realisation.

Some of our life values include being true to ourselves, having the time and opportunities to explore and develop our own directions and inclinations in life, and being able to share time and common interests within our family unit. When we were both working full time, we simply could not live a life that was true to ourselves. We see our priority as parents to demonstrate a lifestyle which is rewarding - we want to show our daughter that it is good to be here, on planet earth. Being satisfied with our lives shows her that one can step outside of the 'norm' and lead an active, rewarding, enriching and meaningful life and that it is not what she does or earns that is necessary for our approval. When you start to follow your own volition, your own interests, your passions and you Self in depth, you come to realise there is a huge resource within that as yet has been untapped, undeveloped, unexplored and you begin to appreciate that 'doing' and 'earning' is not always that which brings satisfaction. There is never a day that goes by when we are bored or feel unfulfilled - compare that to the average working person. We have discovered too that when we follow a project or research which stems from our own passions and volitions we feel good about the end result ourselves; in the workplace where the majority of the time you do not share the same values, you need the approval of your boss or colleagues to feel you have achieved something or done a good days work - hence our feeling that we are providing good role models and positive energies in which to bring up our daughter.

It is estimated that on an average day, every person is subjected to at least 300 subliminal (and not so subliminal) marketing messages - even if you don't watch TV or read the newspapers you will still be receiving these messages from billboards, the internet, posters in shop windows, the shape of the bottle your water comes in and from your friends. What is advertising all about? In our opinion, it is a method of brainwashing you into believing that you want or need something - attractive people selling attractive things that will enrich your life and bring you happiness and power. What is it you need in order to be able to have these things? Money, and what do you need to do in order to get money? Work, and thus the cycle of consumerism is complete: you go to work to earn purchasing power so that you can buy the things the marketing messages are telling you you need to be happy. The irony is that often when we work, we are too tired and do not have the energy to enjoy the so called 'rewards' of our lifestyle.

We are told through advertising that unless we have these new things, we are not as good as our peers, we are not as happy as we deserve to be or that we are not attaining the standards set for us by society. These beliefs go to a very deep, psychological level - we feel that they reach to an intrinsic part in all of us as humans; that they echo back to one of our deepest instincts of herding - if we aren't as good as the rest of the herd, then we might be picked off or rejected by the rest of the tribe; which on evolutionary terms would have been catastrophic to our survival. These advertising campaigns successfully reach to the core of our beings as humans; utilising tactics that resonate deep within us at a subconscious level.

We are driven towards having to earn money in order to buy things - no one bothers to learn how to do things themselves anymore, they just earn money to pay someone else to do it for them - and that we are told is what makes the world go round. No one bothers to ask the question 'Do I really want this stuff?' we blindly follow our friends, our neighbours, our colleagues, indeed our herd. A friend of a friend is a landscape gardener, she once said she's sad for the people who hire her to do their showy gardens for her neighbours and friends to see, when they're really missing the experience of creating the garden space.

We are saddened that as a whole, the exchange of energy has been totally lost and it appears that money is the only currency of value within the 'developed' world. This is why people are slaving their guts out selling their souls to the workplace and are losing sight of who they are, why they are here and what their gifts are and it's probably why we're all in therapy too, because we no longer know how to relate to one another, respect ourselves or communicate.

To fulfil our chosen lifestyle, we have made changes; big changes. We grow our own food, repair clothes or buy from charity shops, gratefully receive and adapt hand me downs, we don't choose recreational activities that cost money. We don't buy processed food and instead of using electricity to keep us warm we go out and collect and burn wood to keep warm in the winter. We do all our own house repairs, fix our car and make our own toiletries." .....

for the rest:
http://houseofstrauss.co.uk/modules/wfsection/article.php?articleid=442

Ludi
April 27th, 2005, 07:10 PM
Thank you for posting this! I'm interested to see how they pay their property taxes with no money....

Hmm, they don't seem to say, nor how they buy gas for their car...

Marie
April 27th, 2005, 07:34 PM
What about water/sewage and electricity?

Ludi
April 27th, 2005, 07:44 PM
What about water/sewage and electricity?

Maybe they don't use electricity, and have an outhouse and use spring water or hand-pumped well water...

Or something....

brahmacharya
April 27th, 2005, 07:45 PM
Hand pumping well water....outhouse maintenance...home healing etc...

That all sounds suspiciously like work, hard work at that, to me.

Ludi
April 27th, 2005, 07:56 PM
Hand pumping well water....outhouse maintenance...home healing etc...

That all sounds suspiciously like work, hard work at that, to me.

A different kind of work, certainly, more enjoyable for some people, not for others. We heat our house with wood and I can tell you it's a heck of a lot more work to go out on a cold morning to collect firewood (because you were too lazy to do it the evening before) than it is to flip on the central heat. But I'd rather collect firewood than go to a job. Many people would rather go to a job than try to grow their own food. I haven't managed to grow my own food yet, so I'm not sure I'm qualified to compare. I do know I suck at going to a job...

brahmacharya
April 28th, 2005, 01:15 AM
A different kind of work, certainly, more enjoyable for some people, not for others. We heat our house with wood and I can tell you it's a heck of a lot more work to go out on a cold morning to collect firewood (because you were too lazy to do it the evening before) than it is to flip on the central heat. But I'd rather collect firewood than go to a job. Many people would rather go to a job than try to grow their own food. I haven't managed to grow my own food yet, so I'm not sure I'm qualified to compare. I do know I suck at going to a job...

Heh, I'm not sure I'm very good at it either...and we talked about this in the job-depression thread. Maybe I'm just fooling myself because I don't have the courage to quit and run off into the woods the way I really want to. Thing is, when I do end up out in the woods [however temporarily] I do find myself working quite a bit, although that is work that I don't generally mind like cooking and cleaning [Sexism, eat your heart out].

I guess I just see the benefits of Playing the Game existing in opposition to, but equal to, the benefits of Not Playing The Game. Especially when things go wrong [serious illness etc.] My b/f was raised in the woods [no kidding! not by wolves] and while I'm sure he had some brilliant experiences in nature and so on, he didn't turn out to be a mystical prophet or a freedom fighter, and he didn't get to go to college...he's just a guy. [A cool guy!] A guy who, ironically enough, likes stuff A LOT after being without it as a child. His parents decided they were going to live outside of the system and so his dreams of being an architect just didn't have the capital to pan out. So...so I don't know.

Ludi
April 28th, 2005, 11:25 AM
People should at least feel like they have the option to live a different way. I'd be miserable if I were forced to live like most people...

Coney
April 28th, 2005, 04:43 PM
I'd love to get off the grid a bit, but living in the vast metropolis of NYC, it's not exactly easy to grow any amount of our own food. I buy in bulk when I can, and I don't own a car. I'd like to use no electricity, but we need our computer. So I think we're sorta stuck unless we move out to a house somewhere cheaper. (but then we're not in the city...)

brahmacharya
April 28th, 2005, 04:44 PM
People should at least feel like they have the option to live a different way. I'd be miserable if I were forced to live like most people...

Yeah, I think that is key. Feeling trapped in either situation can be devastating.

eggplant
April 28th, 2005, 06:33 PM
People should at least feel like they have the option to live a different way. I'd be miserable if I were forced to live like most people...

I think it's great if they're happy living that way, but I certainly would be eaten by wolves or something if I decided to live off the grid. I'm not very good at figuring out how to make or fix things, and I don't really enjoy learning how to make and fix things. I like the idea of having a garden, but I haven't started one yet, because the actual act of gardening is not that appealing to me. What I am good at is reading and writing and analyzing ideas and teaching. There wouldn't be much call for that if I tried to live in a completely self-sustaining way, but people are willing to pay me to do all that here at the college where I work. I try to minimize my consumerism in many ways, but I appreciate that I can pay someone else to do things that I have no desire to do, such as provide energy for my home or grow my food.

I think the author of the article is right though that there is a lot of pressure in our society (any society really) to live a certain way and have certain things and that it can be tough to get away from that. For instance, my bf currently doesn't have a car. He takes the bus to work and walks/bikes a lot. We use my car to go longer distances. He's happy with this, but he does get negative reactions from family, friends and co-workers sometimes. One particularly ridiculous comment recently came from a friend of his who said, "A man's gotta have a car." It's amazing what people think they "need." People always say, "I need a new pair of shoes," when usually they already have a number of perfectly good pairs of shoes at home. So I think there's a middle ground between being an out-of-control consumer and living off the grid.

Ludi
April 28th, 2005, 06:43 PM
So I think there's a middle ground between being an out-of-control consumer and living off the grid.

That's sort of where I am right now. I'm still on the grid, and I still buy stuff at the store. I still work for money. But I'm not much of a consumer and I don't work much, being mostly self-unemployed. :)

Walter
April 28th, 2005, 08:16 PM
I hope to be living in a style similar to theirs someday, but communally on a larger scale. :D

FreshTart
April 29th, 2005, 02:30 AM
I think it's great if they're happy living that way, but I certainly would be eaten by wolves or something if I decided to live off the grid.

*makes mental note to purchase bear spray for eggplant if I pull her name for Secret Santa

FreshTart
April 29th, 2005, 02:35 AM
I hope to be living in a style similar to theirs someday, but communally on a larger scale. :D

communist.

jenna rose
April 29th, 2005, 02:57 AM
I hope to be living in a style similar to theirs someday, but communally on a larger scale. :D


i'd love to be able to live in a commune with other veg*n's - growing most of our own food, having gardens, sharing a multitude of similar interests. I think it would help out a lot of people that were struggling with a certain part of their lifestyle (i.e. having a diet be 100% vegan, etc) and also it would make it easier for others to get into the situations/things they were really interested in.

Ludi
April 29th, 2005, 03:50 PM
i'd love to be able to live in a commune with other veg*n's - growing most of our own food, having gardens, sharing a multitude of similar interests.

Is there a reason you can't?

FreshTart
April 29th, 2005, 03:58 PM
If VB is any indictator, finding enough people you'd WANT to live with may prove difficult......

I can see it now. Someone accidently buys the margarine with D3 in it. :no:

xrodolfox
April 29th, 2005, 04:20 PM
If VB is any indictator, finding enough people you'd WANT to live with may prove difficult......

I can see it now. Someone accidently buys the margarine with D3 in it. :no:

:lol:

jenna rose
April 29th, 2005, 05:43 PM
If VB is any indictator, finding enough people you'd WANT to live with may prove difficult......

I can see it now. Someone accidently buys the margarine with D3 in it. :no:


smartass :p

FreshTart
April 29th, 2005, 06:48 PM
You say that like it's a bad thing :confused: