Important Reason To Be Frugal/oil Crisis

[rvijay]

Here is another very important reason to be frugal. The oil crisis ahead. While alternatives may become available, they may still be inexpensive and not available consistently/all over etc., Moreover, Petroleum byproducts are also used to make several other useful products for eg., plastics. Hence, getting frugal, using everything to the maximum and recycling to the full extent is essential it appears.

http://www.btinternet.com/~nlpwessex/Documents/oilcrisisdifferent.htm

Any comments, opinions, related information in this regard are very welcome.

Vijay

[otomik]

Here is another very important reason to be frugal. The oil crisis ahead. While alternatives may become available, they may still be inexpensive and not available consistently/all over etc., Moreover, Petroleum byproducts are also used to make several other useful products for eg., plastics. Hence, getting frugal, using everything to the maximum and recycling to the full extent is essential it appears.

http://www.btinternet.com/~nlpwessex/Documents/oilcrisisdifferent.htm

Any comments, opinions, related information in this regard are very welcome.

VijayExcept it won't be a crisis, just a crunch, that we've been preparing for a long time for. We'll be able to stretch our supplies of oil greatly with all the technology we've developed preparing for this certain event. polymers can be made from any source of carbon basically, there's no huge problem there except it will be more expensive.

Biofuels, Ethanol and Biodiesel
Fischer-Tropsch diesel fuel
Hybrid Technology

that stuff is definately capable of getting us to the next stage of energy (probably nuclear power and hydrogen). in the mean time smoke em if ya got em, and in the cleanest possible way.

[rvijay]

While there are alternatives, inorder to prepare to use it efficiently one needs to start now. Waiting until the crisis happens is too late. Before the recovery a significant portion of the population will be affected.

Moving everyone to the newer fuel, related quipment/changes etc., specially globally is a very significant task. Also, what will happen to all the old stuff that used to work with gas.

Rather than Govts. thinking conservatively, look at all the sales of the cruise lines, air travel and efforts in space research.

Man is beginning to learn that Natural resources are limited. For eg., fishing was carried on to such an extent untill the ocean/sea fish population dropped significantly. Now, the maritime provinces in Canada have been severely affected by the Govt. banned fishing as this is their major occupation. With respect to oil this appears to be another bitter lesson that may be repeated.

Vijay

[otomik]

While there are alternatives, inorder to prepare to use it efficiently one needs to start now. Waiting until the crisis happens is too late. Before the recovery a significant portion of the population will be affected.
we have started, the new Bush energy bill even includes a 1 dollar subsidy for biodiesel, much larger than the subsidy for ethanol. Ethanol production in latin america is quickly increasing (Cargill corporation) and they've had great success with it, look at Brazil. Most of all I don't think you should be using the word "crisis", we won't be queuing at the pump or any type of strict rationing. In fact we seem eager to reject petroleum supplies in the case of ANWR, so i think we're very prepared for reduced oil supplies, no panic.


Moving everyone to the newer fuel, related quipment/changes etc., specially globally is a very significant task. Also, what will happen to all the old stuff that used to work with gas.
Ethanol is compatible with gasoline, Biodiesel and Fischer-Tropsch diesel is compatible with diesel engines. Really that arguement works better against hydrogen than it does biofuels.


Rather than Govts. thinking conservatively, look at all the sales of the cruise lines, air travel and efforts in space research.
Cruise lines and Space Travel? you're just grasping at straws now. air travel, especially at longer distances is much better than if everyone drove or went by train.


Man is beginning to learn that Natural resources are limited. For eg., fishing was carried on to such an extent untill the ocean/sea fish population dropped significantly. Now, the maritime provinces in Canada have been severely affected by the Govt. banned fishing as this is their major occupation. With respect to oil this appears to be another bitter lesson that may be repeated.
spare us the ideological ramblings, we know. but the fact is there is no coming "crisis".

[rvijay]

Here is a link reference for Ethanol/Cargill corporation for everyone interested in this thread.
http://thesoydailyclub.com/BiodieselBiobased/CargillEthanol05142004.asp

and the Biodiesel Subsidy:
http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0CYH/is_7_7/ai_100606336

Thanks for the info. on the compatability of Ethanol and Bio-diesel. This is good to know.
Air travel may be more efficient than road travel, still excess of it creates pollution and uses up a lot of fuel.

Finally, the last info. on fishes were not ideological ramblings, they are true documented facts on the limitations of natural resources. All this was shared for general information/discussion. If there are good alternative fuels and there is no Oil crisis I will be the first one to be happy.

Any further comments, additional information are appreciated in this regard from everyone.

Vijay

[rvijay]

I have been adviced that there are several alternatives fuel ideas being worked upon. However, until it is available for all easily, it can't be believed and assumed for granted. For eg., Corn is very resource intensive. To make alternative fuel for the entire planet will need two other planets to grow corn etc., on. Ethanol has existed for a very long time, only it application as a fuel was considered more recently. The word Oil Crisis was termed by several experts familiar in this regard., using this term will encourage more to explore the facts. Also, until alternative fuel is guaranteed to be available for all, it is safe to be frugal in using Oil.

For the sake of arguement, let us assume there is no Oil Crisis, we have plenty of oil at very low prices and oil consumption keeps increasing steadily. Imagine the amount of pollution that Earth will face ? Already there is so much talk about global warming, Green House effects etc., So, in any case getting frugal with Oil seems wiser in the longer run.

Any comments/sites/related info. from one and all are welcome.

Vijay :)

[otomik]

I dunno about you but when I think "crisis" I think of crazy Jack Bauer "24" type stuff. what's a crisis for you? "oh no the rice turned out all sticky on the bottom!"


The word Oil Crisis was termed by several experts familiar in this regard., using this term will encourage more to explore the facts.I my experience the use of rhetoric tends to bring the discussion far way from reality and the facts, you know like: "To make alternative fuel for the entire planet will need two other planets to grow corn"

The entire country of Brazil is a heavy user of ethanol, so i think it can be done.

[rvijay]

I dunno about you but when I think "crisis" I think of crazy Jack Bauer "24" type stuff. what's a crisis for you?

The crisis was clearly defined in the link/site in my original post. This is the definition by experts in the field.


"oh no the rice turned out all sticky on the bottom!"
These are your words not mine.


I my experience the use of rhetoric tends to bring the discussion far way from reality and the facts, you know like: "To make alternative fuel for the entire planet will need two other planets to grow corn"
This was said by someone. I am trying to verify if this is true or false. Websites in this regard would be appreciated.


The entire country of Brazil is a heavy user of ethanol, so i think it can be done.
This is good to know. Any sites in this regard will be appreciated.

Vijay

[rvijay]

Found some related sites:
http://www.crystalsugar.com/media/news.archives/cargill.asp

https://www.inderscience.com/search/index.php?action=record&rec_id=1957&prevQuery=&ps=10&m=or

http://www.cornandsoybeandigest.com/mag/soybean_us_versus_world/

Strong facts indeed otomik. hope this good trend continues.

Vijay