"Destroy them!"

[Dirty Martini]

From a story on Yahoo.com about christian conservatives trying to get other christian conservatives to vote:

"Never allow the enemy to block you," Thomson urged them. "Get around them, run over the top of them, destroy them — whatever you need to do so that God's word is the word that is being practiced in Congress, town halls and state legislatures."

Here's the full story. (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=536&e=2&u=/ap/20040926/ap_on_el_ge/christian_conservatives)

The enemy? Run over the top of them?? DESTROY them?? wow, I am feeling the christian love already. :| what is wrong with people? why are people so angry? I just spent 2 weeks in the US and never before had I realized just how angry people seem to be, and how much they want to interfere with the way others lead their lives. It was weird.

[kpickell]

Hey, if they want to turn Christianity into a political party, go for it. That just gives me another reason to never believe a word they say. They're not in it for God, they're in it for the glory. Vote for me, I believe in Jesus better.

[AccidentalVeg]

Well, ya know... we had to bomb that town to save it back in 'nam. And we have to "liberate" the Iraqi people by blowing them to tiny bits or starving them of food and medicines, then showing up with food and medicines like the superheros we are.

You just gotta destroy anyone who does not agree with you. It's very christian. (NOT!!!)

It's just part of the wonderfulness of being part of a Christian Nation led by a president who gets his intructions straight from the big white dude in the sky every night.

Lucky us. All those other countries are going to h-e-double-hockey stick and yeah, Kofi Annan has a special place to roast in because Dick Cheney's apparently well connected down below. It was a perk of being on the board of Halliburton.

Oh man. My PMS is just in overdrive tonight. That full moon. Someone stop me!!!

d

[Dirty Martini]

It's got to be very frustrating for Christians who do try their best to live according to Jesus' message of compassion and acceptance.

I am reminded of when Jesus criticises the Pharisees and other sects for being so politically-minded and self-righteous. It's been a while (like uh 8 years) since I studied the NT, so maybe my comparison is off base... the coalition portrayed in the article I quoted seems far from "christian" ... ?? The objective seems much less about the tenets of the faith than it is about winning & being right. :(

I'm feeling sad about humanity these days. I need a pick-me-up....

[Gothic Sponge]

IMO religion is the root of all evil! I don't have a problem with people being spiritual, but most organized religions all have a mob mentality. Right-wing "Christians" are some of the worst scum on this earth!

It's funny how they claim to worship Jesus! Come on! Jesus was as liberal as you can get! I'm sure if they had their way, they'd rewrite the bible. Jesus would be a racist, bigot, carrying an AK47!

[MsRuthieB]

Ugh.

[CarbLover]

It annoys me how so called "Christians" want to force everyone to live by their "Christian" principles, yet they seem to ignore half of the New Testament.

www.liberalslikechrist.org

[catswym]

I am reminded of when Jesus criticises the Pharisees and other sects for being so politically-minded and self-righteous. It's been a while (like uh 8 years) since I studied the NT, so maybe my comparison is off base... the coalition portrayed in the article I quoted seems far from "christian" ... ?? The objective seems much less about the tenets of the faith than it is about winning & being right. :(



i think you've got the heart of it right there. jesus condemned the pharisees far more than anyone else because he knew that their behavior is so easy to slip into and would always be the major problem of any religion. christianity was NEVER intended to be a state religion.

[IamJen]

I think I know some of those people, Amy. :(

Saturday, I was working a table at a local street fair re: gay marriage ammendment and two couples came and started berating us and latching on to people who were attempting to reach the leaflets, etc.

This election year is REALLY bringing out the ugliness here.

[MeatIsMurder]

i think you've got the heart of it right there. jesus condemned the pharisees far more than anyone else because he knew that their behavior is so easy to slip into and would always be the major problem of any religion. christianity was NEVER intended to be a state religion.

There's a lot of dust on my Bible, but this seems to make the most sense to me. I was brought up as a Christian and went to church every Sunday, and for a long time it was good enough for me. Until I began to understand people a little better, and came to the realisation that most of the people at my church were not good christians, and it just soured me on the whole thing. Many, if not most of them were very judgemental of others, and not supportive of their church family as they should have been. They were selfish and proud.

My parents and my brother are good Christians - they follow the teachings of Jesus, they live their lives as examples of christianity, and they are open-minded and non-judgemental. If all christians were this way, I can't even imagine how much more peaceful this world would be.

My point is that we can't generalize about Christians. There are lots of good ones out there, it's just a shame that the not-so-good Christians have louder voices, and feel the need to be involved in politics. These "christians" who make these statements will be judged by God just as will any sinner.

Stick that in your pipe and smoke it Thomson!

[clickman]

The Infidel Will Be Crushed.

God Is Great.

Kill Abortion Doctors.

God Is Great.

Firebomb Abortion Clinics.

God Is Great.

God Is Great.

God Is Great.

God Is Great.

[rainbowmoon]

When I read things like this, I know this is why I am not involved in organized religion. Although I do see beauty, truth, and love in various religious traditions, I also see great potential for violence and hate. When I consider the jihad mentality of some sects of Islam, I think about our President, a fighting Christian Holy Rolling Crusader, and the possibility for a Christian- Muslim war. What would that be like?
I don't see this as an immediate situation or anything, just throwing some stupidly radical ideas out there.

[TokenVegInMS]

Nothing, I MEAN NOTHING, makes me feel better than stereotyping large groups of people.

I'm glad I ran across this gem of a thread.

[frenchie]

IMO religion is the root of all evil! I don't have a problem with people being spiritual, but most organized religions all have a mob mentality. Right-wing "Christians" are some of the worst scum on this earth!

It's funny how they claim to worship Jesus! Come on! Jesus was as liberal as you can get! I'm sure if they had their way, they'd rewrite the bible. Jesus would be a racist, bigot, carrying an AK47!

Jesus, "as liberal as you can get"? Liberal, how? I'm really curious!!

[Red]

Nothing, I MEAN NOTHING, makes me feel better than stereotyping large groups of people.

I'm glad I ran across this gem of a thread.

There's a certain satisfaction that comes from being holier than a holier than. :up:

[Dirty Martini]

How timely.

A friend sent this to me today. See attached...

[Wolfie]

IMO religion is the root of all evil! I don't have a problem with people being spiritual, but most organized religions all have a mob mentality. Right-wing "Christians" are some of the worst scum on this earth!

It's funny how they claim to worship Jesus! Come on! Jesus was as liberal as you can get! I'm sure if they had their way, they'd rewrite the bible. Jesus would be a racist, bigot, carrying an AK47!

I love it when non-Christians say Christians are too judgmental, all the while being judgmental themselves. One of the pastors of our church has spoken out and said that they will NOT condemn gay marriage, for example. She said we're all God's people and it's not our job to judge.

Not all Christians are "right wing," "my way or the highway" types. Far from it.

[Wolfie]

It's just part of the wonderfulness of being part of a Christian Nation led by a president who gets his intructions straight from the big white dude in the sky every night.

d

Don't blame God for W. He gave us free will and well-developed brains that are supposed to make the right decisions. It's not His fault W fried his with drugs and seems to have a God complex himself.

<<<<<<<< Proud to be a Christian and proud to be an American, in spite of George W. Bush.

[rincaro]

I'm Christian and I'm offended at the broad generalizations thrown around in this thread.

I participate in organized religion and I don't feel it to be the root of all evil. Anyone that knows me knows that I am accepting and non-judgmental. The Christians I know personally, are for the most part, way more like me than the folks you all are rallying against in this thread.

[Skylark]

*agrees with rincaro*

I'm a Christian. I don't appreciate the boomerang condemnation I see in this thread. Organized religion is not innately good or bad--and I'm sure most of you would say that an atheistic form of government could be very good or very bad, depending on what it valued and how that was carried out.

May I also point out that simply because someone is president does not give him/her all power and authority. I cringe when I hear the "Savior" mentality applied to the presidency. "Kerry will save us from Bush and every evil in the world!" Yuck! If we want good to happen, we can't count on one person to make it happen.

[Christy]

Slightly OT:

But would you agree that Bush is trying to legislate religion/morality in some cases? That's not right, either, IMO.

[rincaro]

I totally agree that he is. But a lot of our laws are based upon morality. Not killing for example. That crime is a moral issue. Many folks feel that certain sitches warrant killing.

[Skylark]

*nods vigorously* Of course Bush is legislating morality. I don't know what else a person can legislate, like what Rincaro said.

What makes me really mad, though, is the war. Bush took us into the war, and I'm extremely opposed to it on moral, spiritual, and political grounds.

[renaissancesun]

Ugh.

What she said!

[LudwigB]

I think this thread is turning into a microcosm of all the anger reflected upon in the original post. It seems this country really is tearing itself apart.