Have you placed your order for assault weapons yet?

[Gothic Sponge]

Now everyone can go duck hunting with a grenade launcher!


:grr:

[clickman]

I already got mine at Wal-Mart!

[Peebs]

Sadly, I live in Canada, so no.

[kristadb]

Now everyone can go duck hunting with a grenade launcher!


Is there a back story to this?

<--Canadian

[Frost]

Is there a back story to this?

<--Canadian

GW Bush did not renew the ban on assault weapons, meaning they are for sale with other guns and just as legal to own.

[Jeffer]

Now everyone can go duck hunting with a grenade launcher!


I'd love to hear this statement explained. :rolleyes:

Jeffer

[Jeffer]

GW Bush did not renew the ban on assault weapons, meaning they are for sale with other guns and just as legal to own.

If that had gone through this would have fallen under the ban too. Guns like this one just happen to be one of the most popular types of firearms in the U.S.
This one is owned by the individual in the photograph. I'm not sure whether to think it's funny or scary to know that he voted for the bill in question. In other words, was he too stupid to understand the fine print or does he just lie to get votes.

Jeffer

[Red]

I'd love to hear this statement explained. :rolleyes:

Jeffer

No kidding. Everybody knows you use a surface-to-air missle to get them on the wing. :doh:

[Frost]

If that had gone through this would have fallen under the ban too. Guns like this one just happen to be one of the most popular types of firearms in the U.S.
This one is owned by the individual in the photograph. I'm not sure whether to think it's funny or scary to know that he voted for the bill in question. In other words, was he too stupid to understand the fine print or does he just lie to get votes.

Jeffer

Politicians that dont lie, dont get anywhere in US politics.

You think Bush doesnt? There was just an article today on Yahoo news on all the issues Bush has mistated, miscalculated and flip-flopped on. It was a long list.

[epski]

Sweet. Can you share the URL with us?

[Gothic Sponge]

I'd love to hear this statement explained. :rolleyes:

Jeffer


http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/09/12/gun.ban.ap/index.html

[Jeffer]

http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/09/12/gun.ban.ap/index.html

Yes I know, I understand what the ban was about very well. What I was refering to is your comment about duck hunting with grenade launchers. :rolleyes:

Jeffer

[kirkjobsluder]

I actually thought that the renewal didn't make it past congress either?

You could hunt ducks with a grenade launcher, but grenades evidently are banned for civilian use as a result of a 1930s law.

[Frost]

Yes I know, I understand what the ban was about very well. What I was refering to is your comment about duck hunting with grenade launchers. :rolleyes:

Jeffer

It was sarcasm (although I wouldnt put it past some of the yokals to actually try it...).

[superjane]

does anyone think that the lifting this ban will result in more violent crime?

Whether it does or not, I don't know, but what a great message to be sending to the kids :rolleyes:.

[Christy]

Oh, please. As if a motivated criminal couldn't already get an assault rifle.

[kirkjobsluder]

does anyone think that the lifting this ban will result in more violent crime?

Not much. The vast majority of violent cimes with firearms involve handguns. Perhaps more than that, the vast majority of violent crimes involving firearms happen when a personal weapon is used to settle an argument between family or friends. So while this particular ban is of high symbolic value, it does not really deal with the largest majority of gun crime.

[Gothic Sponge]

Yes I know, I understand what the ban was about very well. What I was refering to is your comment about duck hunting with grenade launchers. :rolleyes:

Jeffer


I was being sarcastic.

[Frost]

Not much. The vast majority of violent cimes with firearms involve handguns. Perhaps more than that, the vast majority of violent crimes involving firearms happen when a personal weapon is used to settle an argument between family or friends. So while this particular ban is of high symbolic value, it does not really deal with the largest majority of gun crime.

Probably because access was not easily obtained.

Now instead of worrying about a disgruntled employee emptying just a hand gun, he can bring all the big toys with him.

Remember, most of the guns involved in crime are stolen. Stolen from the mom & pops that buy them and cant be responsible enough with them.

The majorty is not from some Columbian cartel importing them.

[beforewisdom]

I still don't think much of the NRA's arguments for keeping all arms legal, but since W has been an excuse for president and may be again those arguments don't sound so bad

[Bankruptor]

Probably because access was not easily obtained.


Quite the contrary. Semi auto firearms that were manufactured prior to the ban have always been legal to own and possess in the vast majority of states, and have always been readily available on the free market. In most states it is actually easier to obtain an assault rifle than a handgun, which are more stringently regulated. This so called "ban" did nothing but regulate those dangerous bayonet lugs and magazines with capacities over 10 rounds, a totally cosmetic and ineffective "feel good" piece of crap.

I like the message it's sending to my kid. It's saying that he's not a freak because he's like his dad and enjoys quality firearms.

[Thalia]

Funny, Bush supported extending the assault weapons ban in the past, but didn't push for renewal. Flippity-floppity???

[Bankruptor]

With the exception of Feinstein, Schumer and a select group of others, there aren't many politicians that want to tangle with gun owners in an election year. It's too easy to get sent home, especially from the House . . . :yes:

[kirkjobsluder]

Probably because access was not easily obtained.

Probably not true. What was actually banned was a list of primarily cosmetic features (the one exception to this was the limit on magazine size.) All that happened was that gun manufacturers sold the same hardware with cosmetic modifications to meet the ban.


Now instead of worrying about a disgruntled employee emptying just a hand gun, he can bring all the big toys with him.

This particular ban did nothing to keep the "big toys" out of gunshops. If you wanted a .50 caliber rifle, you could get one. If you wanted a semi-automatic rifle that could fire 3 rounds a second, you could get one. Mr. Disgruntled Employee has only marginally more firepower now than he did before. The only thing that changes in terms of firepower, is how many shots he can take before he reloads.


Remember, most of the guns involved in crime are stolen. Stolen from the mom & pops that buy them and cant be responsible enough with them.

No, most of the guns involved in cime are used by pop to shoot mom. This is the big ugly secret that both gun control advocates and gun control opponents refuse to deal with. The vast majority of gun crimes are domestic crimes, and I would dare say has been for about a century now. The romantic image of the hardened criminal breaking into a store with massive firepower, and the romantic image of the shop owner fighting back is such a rarity that it can be dismissed from the debate.

So you want a view of how gun crime works in America? Mom and pop get into a fight. Pop finds himself looking at a divorce and a restraining order. Pop breaks into Mom's house, kills, Mom, kills Billy and Suzie, then kills himself. All of this happens with the kinds of weapons that have been legal for years.

[mouse]

Exactly right, Kirk.