Do you think the world will ever be peaceful?

[tigger020]

i not only think that world peace in possible i think it is an essential step in human evolution. Some people say that it is impossible that human conflict has and will always exist this is true and there will always be conflict between nations, states, and people but eventually humanity will reach such a level of maturity that no contry will let it escalate into war. it's like this. when you were a kid you could never imagine that you could ever fall asleep without your teddy bear and you though it was immpossible for you to ever do this but as you grew up you began to understand that it is not essencial... the same is true for war in the state things are now it may look impossible but it is not only possible but, i think, inevitable.
Give and take has always existed and sharing of natural resources is essential to attain a balance between the rich and poor which will lead to peace eventually i think

except i don't think what the world needs is more money or ressources it's something more than that. to achieve world peace in my mind many people have to change their intire outlook on the other peoples of the world.

[warheart77]

Not with the way things are going.

We've been on a road to destruction ever since the concept of ownership evolved, if you ask me.

And with capitalism in place? HAH! Less and less people are controlling more and more of the world's resources. I wonder where we get off claiming ownership to land and resources that have been here billions of years before we ever got here, and making profit off of/controlling them. And where we get off taking land and oil and other things from Third World countries, transferring the resources and wealth that comes with them from the poorest to the richest.

That what will continue to happen if this capitalist bull continues on.

Lassez-faire, my arse. There will always be an imbalance with that and with that imbalance comes an advantage. The rich get richer, the poor get poorer, and eventually the rich begin to control everything (as you see with 4 or 5 major corporations controlling all music that hits the mainstream, another 4 or 5 owning all major TV station, 1 owning a huge chunk of the radio market, 1 owning a huge percentage of the food that hits the shelves at your local superstore...)... And their advantage gets huger and huger.

They have the power to raise prices, to keep those at lower rungs from having healthcare or even jobs, etc. It just gets worse and worse. And meanwhile those in other countries continue to see Americans taking their resources and stealing the wealth that comes from, robbing them of their land, taking over their countries, controlling their job and food sources... And they have that image of us all as billionaires riding our SUVs and chowing down on McDonald's...

And they hate us.

Of course people want to bomb America. We claim we're helping. "Helping" would be tearing down those assholic, land-raping, resource-stealing, labor-force-exploting corporations that invade and take over their countries. "helping" would be sharing our wealth - of food, of money, and of KNOWLEDGE. "Helping" would be training locals as doctors, as educators, helping them grow rather than exploiting them to steal their potential wealth for our own.

If only we could realize that by giving just a little, that by investing a tiny percentage of our trillion-dollar GNP into REALLY developing, into educating and training and helping rather than exploting and stealing, there could be SO MUCH MORE WEALTH - for everyone.

But no. Everyone wants to stick to their straight and narrow little American way.

It's all so goddamned hopeless.

[FafaFrappy]

Realistic point of view:

Humans naturally deviate from the "norm" and their ideals change from person to person. Changing every single person's midset is an impossible feat to accomplish. There will always be some other person to influence, and come up with alternative ideas such as intolerance. Hell, even our own President is intolerant. Remember his "crusades" statement? :rolleyes:

[skunkpumpkin]

I think world peace is a dream. To strive for increased peace, i think, should be the goal. Like warheart and fafa said, there will always be people who disagree. There will always be some people who feel the need to be on top. And Capitalism, i also believe, feeds the fire of war.

[warheart77]

*Nods*.. I agree, increased peace is something way more feasible. I really don't see it happening with capitalism as there always needs to be a top and a bottom for capitalism to thrive. Being on the bottom causes anger, fear, despair... Which leads to violence, drug use... We solve that by building more prisons and adding more police and strengthening the military, supposedly keeping the dissentful - mainly minorities, we can't deny - in check.

But those are temporary solutions to a not quite so temporary problem...

Those at the bottom rung, working minimum wage and even below crappy, often dangerous jobs, who are living in ghettoes - often it's all they've ever known. The street. So they raise their children in it because they're taught to believe that there's no other option. If you've ever spoken to or even been to a school in a "ghetto" neighborhood, you'll see how apathetic the teachers are - how ignorant grammar and slang is rarely if ever corrected and bad grades and bad attitudes are shrugged at rather than looked into and helped.

Kids are constantly being told that they're nothing and will never amount to anything, and encouraged to leave school. People claim to care about solving this vicious cycle and yet nothing ever happens - mainly because this bottom rung of minorities and illegal immigrants and even poor whites living in crappy neighborhoods working crappy jobs needs to be maintained in order for capitalism to thrive.

Man... What can we DO.

[misq17]

Nope, peace is not going to happen, ever, period.

Hey Michael, it's the teen forum :p

[warheart77]

But it's the VEG teen forum! We're typically a more peaceful breed of teen :-D

[silverundertone]

..in a way..i think its just human nature to want to control/own everything...like..in the wild...animals fight amongst themselves/each other for territory..mates..etc...
i think the only real difference is that we have nukes..and they dont...
so basically..i think were doomed....

[LotRElfGirl13]

Sorry but I think the world will NEVER be at peace. Humans are what destroyed this world and created all "evil" so until all humans are gone, Earth will never be at peace. It is us who destroyed this world and only we(unless the aliens would help!) can fix it but no one cares about it. We have the power to destroy and fix/make right but our choices, though some were not intended for harm, but lead to destruction(like Borimir's choice to use the ring would have been for good and to help his city, but in the end the ring would only have the power to destroy). Now if we were all like Elves, it would be a perfect world, at least to me(b/c elves are the wisest and fairest of all beings, care for the world and nature, are peaceful, can overcome the desire for power, and ect. ). Religion has caused a lot of war and always will b/c there will never be an agreement about that in the world. As long as there is differance of opinion that people won't accept, we shall never be at peace. also the human "need" for power and control corrupts us all and can destroy our minds. Ever since we evolved, the world has been steadily crumbling. Our existance destroys all and though some care and do something about it, too many other people don't care. Peace will never be achieved in the world. There will always be some bit of evil or hatred that blocks the road to peace. The world is changed in a way that we can't turn back and fix. Humans are a poison to the Earth and all in it. in other words, we are doomed to never be at peace unless we all die or get over it. The gaps between people of differant statises(rich+poor, religions, ect.) grow wider every day and too many people are blind to such facts though they can't be avoided. All life is doomed to fade, all things must pass away, the time will come, doom is at hand, as we destroy this world, we destroy ourselves. We are our own worst enemy. Peace is out of reach, and has faded into the shadows of the world and not enough is done to change it so there it shall remain as it falls deeper and deeper into darkness. We are doomed as we know it. (see I, Robot and LotR :elf: to understand more of what I speak.) A shadow has fallen upon us, and the light has gone out.

[silverundertone]

:brood: :rolleyes:

[warheart77]

Well said LOTR elf girl.

We are an incredible species, in good ways and in bad.

We have the power to go incredible good and to do incredible bad...

We have the power to be incredibly passionate and loving or greedy and selfish...

Often the latter is more appealing because you do less and THINK you're getting more but if only people were to see that going that extra mile would reap so many more benefits, for themselves and for everything around them...

[Nirvana19105]

Thats the solution to our problems, we need to remind ourselves to be more like the elves. :rolleyes:

[warheart77]

Maybe it's not such a bad idea.. I mean I've never gotten into any of that.

But you never know. Most of the world's genuises never made much 'sense' to society.

[Loki]

Of course not. If the world were to be peaceful, we'd have to ditch the capitalist system, and the whole stucture of society will fall apart. We'd have to abandon religion entirely, and other militant groups would have to be disbanded.

The world will never be peaceful.

[DreamWavez]

Unfortunately, I truly believe that world peace will never happen. It sounds pessimistic, but in truth it's just reality. It's been too long (thousands and thousands of years) and it doesn't seem like anyone has learned anything. The same mistakes are made over and over and over...if things haven't gotten better by now, they never will be. People are killing each other, themselves, and the environment and it only seems to be increasing. In theory, world peace is possible (as many things in theory seem to be), but in reality it's impossilbe.

[LotRElfGirl13]

Yeah. Humans suck. (elves rule!) :elf:

[greenbean]

this is going to be really long, but please give me the benefit of the doubt that it won't be dumb and read it through.

*deep breath... and GO!* honestly i believe that it was not in human nature to want more and more and to help yourself and a small group of people like you and not care about other people, but i believe that that's what much of our culture has become. we can't do anything to make everyone see outside of their own little box: there will always be some people who can't or won't change, and unfortunately many of them hold positions of power, even if only indirectly. one theory which i find really interesting is that in the universal scheme of things, it really doesn't matter if people and animals suffer or are treated poorly, and it doesn't matter if we reduce our planet to a big burning pile of industrialism. would it really affect the universe if the inhabitants of one tiny dot of matter (earth) just completely screwed themselves over? (lie on your back on the roof sometime in the middle of the night and stare up at the stars for a few hours and you'll see what i mean). but the counter to that theory is that our individuality and the diversity that we hold on this amazing little dot is what makes us so amazing. we have life. and not just a few possibly-alive-at-one-time microorganisms: we have blooming, beautiful, wholesome and rapidly disappearing life life. and our individuality as insignificant little living things is great and mind-blowing if you think about it in perspective to what we were a few million years ago. but most people don't think of life in this perspective and don't appreciate that every single human thinks and has emotions and feels pain and hunger and humiliation. the capabilities we have been given as a species are something that we could use to make everyone and everything live in harmony if only we all really dedicated ourselves, but that cannot and will not happen. because over the course of time as we evolve and develop all these capabilities, we lose our compassion and our curiosity and appreciation for the magnificent world and universe around us, and we don't stay focused on not becoming heartless and self-centered and lost in the tiny, closed-up worlds we create for ourselves, so that is what we were destined to become. with the exception of a few, people generally don't care because they can't care.
because they lost sight of what really matters in the life that we have been given.

[LotRElfGirl13]

I give you benefit of the doubt. It's not dumb. People don't care b/c they can't but if they would just face reality and understand what is happening in this world rather than their own little world where all is happy, then maybe they would get it, but they choose not to even try.

[Loki]

we'll always fight amongst ourselves.

As long as there is religion, as long as we are permitted to have different opinions, we will always fight amongst ourselves.

[LotRElfGirl13]

Even if we weren't allowed to have differant opinions, though impossible as that may seem, we would still not be at peace b/c people will rebel and fight for differant opinions. We'll never be able to have the same opinion. Unless we're Elves, we will never be at peace. or if we're mindless zombies that walk around, doing absolutely nothing, maybe we'd be at peace but who knows b/c we're mindless then! sorry about rambling. :elf:

[gguru1]

This may be a plug for my own ideas, but I think space colonization would help a lot

[LotRElfGirl13]

Maybe if the aliens brainwashed us or something. yes, I do believe in them.

[TheFirstBus]

I have not lost hope. Someday I think there will be world peace. But like it was mentioned I think capitalism must die the borders must fall (so long as we run as seperate countries capitalism will still exsist), and I believe there is a connection between human violance and that against animals. Though I do not think this will happen in my life time.

The first bus is froma song a band did "Refused"
It means to take the first bus away from capitalism, to take the first bus out of here...

[warheart77]

I'm going to have to check out that song... I doubt any kind of reform will happen anytime soon, but all we can do is hope and try to educate...

[Freya]

Personally, I think peace would be boring....I know that sounds REEEEally wrong and sick and twisted, but I duuno. Life without conflict just seems odd and unrealistic to me.