Rumsfeld caught lying - on tape

[Jimdavis]

Donald Rumsfeld on Face The Nation -

http://www.moveon.org/censure/caughtonvideo/

[kristadb]

:lol:

[dvmarie]

How embarrassing!!! :o :lol:
(I don't like him very much, so I have no sympathy)

[dcpsoguy]

Let's not get into important political figures lying.

Because we all know who was worst of all. :p

[Dirty Martini]

Yes, because lying about a blow job was much more important than lying about the need to invade another country.

:p

[Fenguin]

I love the guy in a crazy uncle kind of way, but he got straight-up jizzacked by onetime on that one folks. And the fact that Bill Clinton was a big old liarhead who debated the meaning of the word 'is' doesn't make lying by his Republican counterparts any more excusable. Especially when the matter is about justification for war as opposed to receiving oral sex.

[Peebs]

Speaking of lying, has anyone heard about this business of the Whitehouse making fake news reports about their new medicare bill and sending them to TV stations as actual news packages in order to deceive the public? I was going to make a thread, but I don't have time to find any articles about it. Americans, go correct your clocks: it's 1984.

Someone who knows something please make a thread.

[FalafelsRule]

This man is evil.

[automaton]

A Lying politician? No way!

[schu]

Speaking of lying, has anyone heard about this business of the Whitehouse making fake news reports about their new medicare bill and sending them to TV stations as actual news packages in order to deceive the public? I was going to make a thread, but I don't have time to find any articles about it. Americans, go correct your clocks: it's 1984.

Someone who knows something please make a thread.

The thing that is frustrating to me is that people are surprised to see this.

[DRAKE]

Didn't Congress vote to give authority to Pres. Bush to wage war? Did Kerry in particular vote for it? The decisions were based on the best intelligence that we had. Kerry was on the intelligence committee, he had the same access as President Bush had to the information and drew the same conclusions as did Clinton during his administration.

[Tame]

Speaking of lying, has anyone heard about this business of the Whitehouse making fake news reports about their new medicare bill and sending them to TV stations as actual news packages in order to deceive the public? I was going to make a thread, but I don't have time to find any articles about it. Americans, go correct your clocks: it's 1984.

Someone who knows something please make a thread.

I know commercials using actors as news reporters were made, but IU have not read that these were issued as "news reports" to stations. That doesn't make sense, as any reports like that come to affiliates from networks.

[DRAKE]

These news tidbits have been produced in this same manner since Richard Noxon was in office. Every president since him has done it, although I am sure most of you will concur that somehow Pres. Bush is the only one who did anything wrong

[FalafelsRule]

I love the way he was made to look like the complete @ss he is and on national TV at that. This video snip is classic.

[DRAKE]

and of course any republican tid bits that show Sen. Kerry contradicting himself is most likely just political propaganda

[Jimdavis]

I know commercials using actors as news reporters were made, but IU have not read that these were issued as "news reports" to stations. That doesn't make sense, as any reports like that come to affiliates from networks.

http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,1413,36~122~2023912,00.html

[mouse]

These VNR's shouldn't be allowed, whether they are produced by Republicans or Democrats.

[Tame]

They look legit to me. They are produced to influence voters, and as they come from the White House, the expectation is that they would support the White House line on issues. No station is forced to run them, and it seems a fair number do not.

[Jimdavis]

They look legit to me. They are produced to influence voters, and as they come from the White House, the expectation is that they would support the White House line on issues. No station is forced to run them, and it seems a fair number do not.

But that raises the question whether the VNR [when watched] looks as if it comes from the White House or from a newscaster, and whether the stations ran some disclaimer across the screen saying "This video was supplied by The Department of Health and Human Services."

Jim

[Tame]

But that raises the question whether the VNR [when watched] looks as if it comes from the White House or from a newscaster, and whether the stations ran some disclaimer across the screen saying "This video was supplied by The Department of Health and Human Services."

Jim

That would be the responsibility of the stations.

[Jimdavis]

That would be the responsibility of the stations.

So what responsibility does the government have, in your opinion, to differentiate between a campaign ad that it should pay for and a news release that touts its successes? Or is there any difference in your opinion?

Jim

[Tame]

So what responsibility does the government have, in your opinion, to differentiate between a campaign ad that it should pay for and a news release that touts its successes? Or is there any difference in your opinion?

Jim

It wasn't technically a campaign ad. It was a White House news release related to Medicare. The advantage of being an incumbent...
The TV stations know the source of the ad, so they have the responsibility of treating it as they choose.

[epski]

It wasn't technically a campaign ad. It was a White House news release related to Medicare. The advantage of being an incumbent...
The TV stations know the source of the ad, so they have the responsibility of treating it as they choose.

But what of the audience?

[Jimdavis]

It wasn't technically a campaign ad. It was a White House news release related to Medicare. The advantage of being an incumbent...
The TV stations know the source of the ad, so they have the responsibility of treating it as they choose.

All true. So the only differentiation in your eyes is whether your tax dollar is spent for the news release or the GOP's coffers are depleted for the ad, but that there needs to be no content differentiation between a campaign ad and an issue news release by an incumbent?

Jim

[DRAKE]

You guys are right..damn Clinton and Carter for ever using them! :)