Kiss My Face Moisture Soap not vegan?

[Tommy Gun]

Are their products supposed to be vegan? I always thought they were, and on their site it says:

"Taking the latest scientific research and combining it with the most effective ingredients nature offers leaves no room in Kiss My Face bottles for artificial colors, unnecessary chemical additives, animal ingredients or animal testing."

Well I was looking at the back of my Kiss My Face Moisture Soap, and it contains vitamin D3! So what gives? Do they not consider that an animal ingredient? Grrr.

[veggrl]

they use honey in some things.

I was under the impression tha MOST, not all of their stuff was vegan.

[Artichoke47]

Yep, they use honey in some of their products, even after stating that they don't use animal products.

From what I've found out so far, Jason, Tom's of Maine, Avalon/Alba Botanica, and Nature's Gate products are animal-product-free.

[kristadb]

I believe the accepted defination of free of animal products is to be free of dead things.

D3 is often from wool; honey is not "dead" in the same way that lard is.

[Tommy Gun]

Well sure, but milk isn't "dead" either...it was never alive, but that's still an animal product, isn't it? An animal produces it....

[kristadb]

I'm just saying that most companies call "animal products" dead things.

[Minibean]

I e-mailed them about this awhile back - here's the response I received:

"Thanks for writing about D3 in the Melon Moisture Soap
(which we love too, by the way!)

We discontinued use of D3 sometime back. However, due to the expense of
reprinting back labels, we are waiting to run through our entire stock
before reprinting the labels again with the updated ingredients."

So, I assume that the soaps are vegan even though the labels still say D3 - unless maybe they've been on the shelf for a long time, since before the switch. Some of the ones with newer labels are on the shelves now - the unscented one I buy says D2.

They do use honey in some of their stuff, though. They list their non-vegan products on their website.

FYI, Jason and Tom's of Maine also use honey/bee products in some of their stuff. Luckily most of their products are vegan.

[Michael]

That doesn't seem like it should be legal. :confused:

[Tommy Gun]

Minibean, thanks for the info! I just realized that I bought some "mango" soap made by "JASON," and it also has D3 in it! Argh! I know I was in a rush that day, but I think if it's not something I'm eating I'm a little less careful about reading labels. I need to work on that. Plus, if these companies didn't slap the "No animal testing! No animal by-products!" etc. lines all over the labels that might help.

[SallyK]

How annoying and frustrating!
I agree with Michael. It doesn't seem like it should be legal.

[FalafelsRule]

Yeah be careful, a lot of companies are being deceptive, i cna't see how they can get away with thinking nasty ol' D3 is not from an animal source. Toms Toothpaste has a line of propolis toothpaste and they say no animal ingredients on them. Toms also has a line with truly no animal ingredients.

[VeganEssentials]

From what I've found out so far, Jason, Tom's of Maine, Avalon/Alba Botanica, and Nature's Gate products are animal-product-free.

Basically, a completely vegan body care or cosmetics company is a difficult thing to come by. Jason does have some items with animal products, though not too many. Tom's of Maine does use propolis in some toothpastes and possibly other bee products as well. Avalon/Alba is the parent company of Beauty Without Cruelty, so you can imagine that if they made BWC change to use animal ingredients that they most likely have a few in their lines as well (we prefer not to carry their items other than one lip balm they offer.) Nature's Gate is one of the closest to being completely vegan, other than the lip balm they have which does contain beeswax. A lot of what goes on requires a ton of label reading and calls to find things like this out, and trust me, I've done my share. It stinks that one company's perception on what is an animal product is different from that of others, but hopefully one day it will be a universal standard that can be acknowledged that it it comes from anything living, even if it isn't killed to obtain it, it still is an animal product!

Ryan
www.VeganEssentials.com

[veggrl]

Hehe

Thats why I love ordering from the vegan online shops. So they can label read and call the companies for me! Then allI have to do is shop shop shop :D

[kpickell]

I don't understand why everyone automatically assumes vitamin D3 is from an animal source.

[differentdaisy]

:vebo:
I don't understand why everyone automatically assumes vitamin D3 is from an animal source.


Vitamin D in the form of Cholecalciferol is always derived from animals. It comes from the word cholesterol, which is never found outside of animal products. Vitamin D as Ergocalciferol is what you find in vegan products.

[kristadb]

But Vitamin D3 is not always from dead animals, which is the impression many vegetarians have been given. For example, all the D3 in the milk at the stores in Alberta is made from sheep wool, not fish or sheep meat.

[SallyK]

Thanks for clearing that up differentdaisy. I wish I had known that sooner! I bought some Cascadian Farms raisin bran at Whole Foods the other day that contained vitamin D and it didn't say D3 so I thought it was fine. Now I see on the ingredients "Cholecalciferol" so I won't be buying that again. Grrrrrrr....

[Tommy Gun]

I don't understand why everyone automatically assumes vitamin D3 is from an animal source.

Well on both bottles (Jason and Kiss My Face) it specifically says "Cholecalciferol," and as DifferentDaisy explained D3 is always from an animal source, and I'm vegan, so even if it's from wool I still don't want it.

[kpickell]

D3 is not always from an animal source. Though in this case if it says Cholecalciferol then it is.

[kristadb]

D3 is sometimes a synthetic mixture, but it is classed as D2 due to a molecular structure or process reasoning. (I"ve had this explained to me by a chemist, but I admit it was all well over my head).

That is why Cherrios is vegan, but contains D3.

[Flower]

On their website, they have a FAQ page that answers "are your products vegan?". Most of them are, but they do list the ones that aren't.

[Artichoke47]

Flower, which company are you referring to?

[Artichoke47]

Flower, which company are you referring to?

[Flower]

Flower, which company are you referring to?

Whoops, sorry! It's Kiss My Face. Here's a link to the FAQ page-

http://www.kissmyface.com/content/articles/faq/

[Artichoke47]

Thank you!

(I have no idea why my post was posted twice.)