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legallyblonde
11-14-03, 08:15 PM
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http://www.dailyemerald.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2003/11/14/3fb4fbaf5066c

Preposterous PETA
Preposterous PETA

Travis Willse
Rivalless wit
November 14, 2003

I still remember that cool summer day in July 1988. I was just a few weeks shy of my sixth birthday. My mom carted my younger brother, Tyler, and me to the Humane Society outlet at the south end of Hillsboro. There, I picked out and adopted a kitten I named "Friskie," a tabby American shorthair that still lives at my parents' house.

I like Friskie, and I've grown attached to her over the last 15 years, but I would give her up if it meant finding a cure for malaria or AIDS. I'd let her go, too, if it meant finding a cure for cystinosis (which affects only 600 people nationwide) or fibrodysplasia ossificans progressiva (125 people) or even a disease that afflicts only one person. Why? Because a human life, by virtue of human consciousness, is more valuable than the life of a lower animal.

But not everyone sees it that way.

"Even if animal tests produced a cure for AIDS, we'd be against it (sic)," Ingrid Newkirk hysterically explained in the Sept. 1, 1989, issue of Vogue.

Newkirk co-founded and is currently the president of People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals. And the absurdity of her comment is lamentably representative of the group's largely fanatical philosophy and reflects the irrational agenda of many extreme animal rights activists. This column will explore less PETA's core values, though, and delve more into its history of grossly irresponsible, offensive rhetoric and opportunistic, radical methods they use that often (somewhat ironically) violate both human decency and intellectual integrity.

(A brief aside is necessary here: I accept a so-called "animal welfare theory," wherein the use of animals for food, clothing or experimentation is acceptable as long as that use has a functional motive and is reasonable. Experimenting on rhesus monkeys to find an AIDS vaccine is wholly acceptable; senseless torture of backyard dogs is not. Furthermore, I condemn PETA's methods and those of many radical animal rights activists, as well as many of their philosophies, but I do not denounce vegetarianism, veganism or any of many other rational practices and ideologies sometimes associated with the animal welfare movement.)

Animal testing of medical procedures that benefit humans is often, simply put, essential.

"Most, if not all of the medical advances over the last 50 years have depended, either directly or indirectly, on research done on animals," psychology Professor Emerita Barbara Gordon-Lickey explained. "Certainly all new methods, regardless of how they're developed, have to be tested on animals."

But some radical animal rights activists -- evidently unsatisfied with merely verbalizing their displeasure with animal testing -- voice their ill-reasoned grievances by resorting to indefensible violence. On Oct. 26, 1986, at least one activist broke into, ransacked and defaced Gordon-Lickey's lab ("Vandals ransack science labs, threaten to strike again soon;" ODE; Oct. 27, 1986), inflicting $36,000 in damages. (Ironically, the vandal destroyed $2,000 of audio tutorial materials used for training technicians and scientists to care for and handle lab animals properly.)

In a statement the Animal Liberation Front delivered to the Associated Press about the incident, the group decried the lab's "torture chambers" and asserted: "This is just the beginning of our efforts to liberate those oppressed in research concentration camps in Oregon. We will not allow this slaughter to continue without resistance. You will hear again from us soon." Just to clarify, ALF is a criminal organization that FBI spokesman Ross Rice said is responsible for more than 600 acts of vandalism.

Sharon Nettles, former coordinator of Eugene's PETA chapter, told the Emerald for the 1986 story that PETA does not condone illegal actions.

However, about the break-in, Nettles gloated, "I'm glad someone did it."

Activist Roger Troen, who was eventually convicted of the break-in, is a member of ALF. PETA came to Troen's undeserved rescue, paying from its tax-exempt war chest his $27,000 of legal fees and $34,900 fine. PETA's connections with ALF are numerous -- its major grantees include longtime ALF ringleader and former Earth First! Journal Editor Rodney Coronado, who was sentenced in 1995 to 57 months in federal prison for the 1992 arson of a Michigan State University laboratory. Since his release, Coronado has openly admitted to at least six other arsons.

PETA's annals are filled not only with granting funds to terrorists but with rhetoric that ranges from offensive to nonsensical.

On July 6, 2001, a shark attacked and chomped off the right arm of then-8-year-old Jessie Arbogast on the Florida coast. In what Time Magazine dubbed on its cover "Summer of the Shark," mass media tapped into the collective unconscious, talking sharks for months (lost in this brouhaha was the fact that shark attacks actually declined by 13 incidents from the year before). PETA followed suit, unveiling a promotional billboard that asked, "Would you give your right arm to know why sharks attack? Could it be revenge?"

According to PETA, "The recent injuries suffered by shark attack victims offer us a glimpse into the terrifying experience these fish endure when they are hauled out of their environment only to be pitch-forked back into the water after their fins have been sliced off."

Maybe so, by some particularly imaginative and macabre stretch of the mind. But offering a bizarrely non sequitur "revenge" theory only chillingly and opportunistically abuses a human tragedy and unfairly takes advantage of the gullible, further polluting dialogue about important issues with irrationality.

Regrettably, this blatant opportunism and deviation from reason is more PETA's rule and less its exception.

In summer 2000, a few months after doctors diagnosed New York City then-mayor Rudy Guiliani with prostate cancer, PETA ran a billboard campaign with ads showing Guiliani sporting a milk mustache. The message? The ad read, "Got Prostate Cancer? Drinking milk contributes to prostate cancer." The group dropped the campaign after Guiliani threatened to sue the group.

But even worse than its disregard for a single person's suffering is its apparent disregard for and wholesale devaluation of human life.

In its Nov. 13, 1983, issue, the Washington Post quoted Newkirk lamenting, "Six million people died in concentration camps, but six billion broiler chickens will die this year in slaughterhouses" (emphasis added).

Twenty years later, PETA pushed the ideological pedal to the rhetorical metal, launching a "Holocaust on Your Plate" campaign to promote a "nonviolent, vegan diet." In the campaign, PETA paraded a massive graphic display wherein images of chickens, pigs and calves were juxtaposed with pictures of near-dead Holocaust victims and piles of human corpses.

"Just as the Nazis tried to 'dehumanize' Jews by forcing them to live in filthy, crowded conditions," read PETA's press release detailing the campaign, "animals on today's factory farms are stripped of all that is enjoyable and natural to them and treated as nothing more than meat-, egg-, and milk-making 'machines.'"

The Holocaust, one of the worst abominations in human history (numerically and morally), reflects humanity's capacity for cruelty. PETA seems to lack the appreciation for human life or decency to see that, out of respect for those who survived the concentration camps -- and moreover, for those who did not -- comparisons to the tragedy should be restricted to, well, legitimately comparable tragedies. Asserting that the death of a chicken is morally equivalent to the wholesale, grotesque slaughter of sentient, conscious beings is an appalling affront to every Jew, Gypsy, homosexual, person with a disability and other Nazi-labeled "misfit" who resisted de facto murder in the camps for months or years.

On its frequently asked questions page, PETA's Web site quotes the celebrated humanitarian Albert Schweitzer: "Aware of the problems and responsibilities an expanded ethic brings with it, said we each must 'live daily from judgment to judgment, deciding each case as it arises, as wisely and mercifully as we can.'"

But, as its conduct has illustrated time and time again, PETA lacks the wisdom to participate in a fair and rational discussion of its grievances, and eschews mercy by supporting terrorists and taking unfair advantage of human tragedies whenever it suits its bizarre, misguided agenda.

According to nonprofit tax forms filed with the Internal Revenue Service, PETA spent only $6,100 of its $10.9 million budget on animal shelters in fiscal year 1996. It seems, then, that The Price Is Right host Bob Barker -- who founded the DJ&T Foundation, an organization that funds low-cost animal clinics to fight animal overpopulation -- has done more for Friskie and millions of other animals nationwide than PETA ever has.

(Oh, and by the way, don't forget to spay or neuter your pets.)

Contact the editorial editor
at traviswillse@dailyemerald.com.
His opinions do not necessarily represent
those of the Emerald

Sevenseas
11-14-03, 08:28 PM
I'd let her go, too, if it meant finding a cure for cystinosis (which affects only 600 people nationwide) or fibrodysplasia ossificans progressiva (125 people) or even a disease that afflicts only one person. Why? Because a human life, by virtue of human consciousness, is more valuable than the life of a lower animal.

This is really sad.

Loki
11-14-03, 08:58 PM
When it comes to animal experimentation, if we're going to cure cancer, AIDS, or whatever, then I'll let it pass. I don't really give a thumbs up or a thumbs down, as long as it's necessary, and I never really read up on this issue, so I don't know much about it. If it's for some cosmetics company, they can get stuffed though.

I'm glad that they haven't decided to go against vegetarians simply because there's a few extremist vegetarians who do burn down a building here and there. I'm personally against PETA, especially since their antics piss people off, and are offensive. I don't like the fact that a lot of vegetarians get lumped with the extremists, especially since I'm an easy going guy. Many people are so reisstant to PETA that if anyone even thinks of walking over the line of normality and entering the atmosphere of PETA territory, such as stopping meat eating, that they will resist it. Thus, it makes it harder to become vegetarian sue to social pressure. And it's PETA's fault.

That's how i see it anyway. I'd definitely agree with the article to a certain degree.

Ntelligentidiot
11-14-03, 10:04 PM
I personally disagree with PETA's comparison of factory farms to the Holocaust. I may be biased as I am Jewish, but I would disagree with this anyway. First of all, factory farms have nothing to do with persecuting people because of religion, race, etc. Second of all, Nazis killed other humans, not animals. An animal life is a valuable life, but it's worse to kill one's own species, in my view. The only similarity I see is mass killing and bad living conditions. PETA should have thoght about how offensive this campaign is to Jews.

That being said, I do not agree with factory farming or the needless killing of animals. I don't agree with animal testing for many purposes(like cosmetics), but if animal testing helps find a cure for cancer or AIDS that's different. And I wouldn't give up my pet for a disease that does not affect a significant portion of the population.

epski
11-14-03, 11:47 PM
Because a human life, by virtue of human consciousness, is more valuable than the life of a lower animal

I've yet to see this proven. What is the inherent value of having a conscious mind? The only being it can matter to is a human, so how valuable is the human consciousness to a non-human animal? Pretty worthless, if you ask me, especially if it results in the extinction of my environment and species.

I'd say consciousness is a liability, not an asset.

Sevenseas
11-15-03, 12:00 AM
I've yet to see this proven. What is the inherent value of having a conscious mind?

Well, non-human animals (maybe excluding insects and similar here) do have a conscious mind. The writer of the article didn't talk about consciousness but human consciousness. (I guess that's what you meant, though.)

"It is just like man's vanity and impertinence to call an animal dumb because it is dumb to his dull perceptions."
-Mark Twain

MollyGoat
11-15-03, 12:39 AM
PETA should have thoght about how offensive this campaign is to Jews.

I'm jewish and I do not find this comparison at all offensive. I think it's a completely ineffective (or possibly countereffective) way of getting people to become vegetarian, though. I feel that way about what most of PETA does.

kristadb
11-15-03, 01:24 AM
I would prefer to see PETA spend the money on campaigns aiming to disprove the myths of veg*anism - how to eat properly, the health benefits of veg*anism. Some environmental info, even some ethical info.

Instead, they spend a fortune on commericals that can't get aired on TV, ads that get taken down days after being put up, and bailing out criminals who talk the words of nonviolence, but only live it when it suits their purposes.

I think they should have their non-profit status removed.

kristadb
11-15-03, 01:29 AM
As a side note, in Newfoundland (a formerly fishing province until a decade-long end to most commerical fishing took place), PETA ran a cruelty to fish ad, featuring a near-naked woman. Considering the hardships the fishing end caused, their ad was in poor, cruel taste.

A local posed this for PETA: You take advantage of a young girl and parade her in the same way that you object to animals being paraded in public. perhaps next time, you should follow your own morals.

PETA did not have a responce.

majake
11-15-03, 01:32 AM
I would prefer to see PETA spend the money on campaigns aiming to disprove the myths of veg*anism - how to eat properly, the health benefits of veg*anism. Some environmental info, even some ethical info.

Instead, they spend a fortune on commericals that can't get aired on TV, ads that get taken down days after being put up, and bailing out criminals who talk the words of nonviolence, but only live it when it suits their purposes.

I think they should have their non-profit status removed.

Peta isnt about veg*nism, they are about creating awareness of the atrocities commited upon animals. the only way to do that in the US if you dont have lots of money to buy commercial time is to get free advertising. They do this with sensationalism. Personally i think the people at Peta are advertising geniuses. The bring a lot bring a lot of attention on the welfare problems that animals are facing, and because of this they get things done.

Kurmudgeon
11-15-03, 01:48 AM
Was the girl's Mother deliberately impregnated by sperm extracted from the Father, and the girl taken away from her parents against her's and their wills to be used for this ad?

Spot on, PETA should follow their own morals.

kristadb
11-15-03, 05:29 AM
Peta isnt about veg*nism...

Perhaps they shouldn't have their go vegetarian ads, go vegan, etc. That *is* a part of ending animal suffering, is it not?

Considering all their go vegetarian ads, the average person thinks PETA is a group of vegetarian wackos who would rather a person to die then an animal. Considering some of the viewpoints expressed on vb and other boards, that may not be too far off.

The people on this board are the choir and many vbers don't like the preacher nor the sermon. The average person off the street is more often then not turned off by this message. For everyone 1 they convert, they probably turn away even more (since I've heard a lot more anti-PETA then pro-PETA). in the end, they do more harm then good.

And, for the record, I disagree with their use of sex to try to "sell" their "morals". If anything, it makes their morals seem shallow and selfish.

majake
11-15-03, 05:42 AM
Perhaps they shouldn't have their go vegetarian ads, go vegan, etc. That *is* a part of ending animal suffering, is it not?

Considering all their go vegetarian ads, the average person thinks PETA is a group of vegetarian wackos who would rather a person to die then an animal. Considering some of the viewpoints expressed on vb and other boards, that may not be too far off.

The people on this board are the choir and many vbers don't like the preacher nor the sermon. The average person off the street is more often then not turned off by this message. For everyone 1 they convert, they probably turn away even more (since I've heard a lot more anti-PETA then pro-PETA). in the end, they do more harm then good.

And, for the record, I disagree with their use of sex to try to "sell" their "morals". If anything, it makes their morals seem shallow and selfish.

No, Petas main goal isnt vegetarianism, it is the end of animal suffering at the hands of humans; vegetarianism helps to accomplish this goal.

Not everyone on this board was part of the choir prior to being veg, many people on this board, myself included, were made aware of the suffering of animals thru Peta. If you have any stats on your claim i would like to see them, but like i said, turning people into vegetarians isn't their main goal, it is to shed light on the harm committed to animals by humans and stop it.

In the end they do more harm than good? Yeah, cause you know all those fast food places would have changed by themselves. :rolleyes:

Sex sells more so than pleas of compassion, I say they should use whatever at their disposal to get attention, cause sure as **** the animals deserve better than what they are getting now. No organisation has done more for the animals as a whole than Peta has.

Peebs
11-15-03, 06:15 AM
As a side note, in Newfoundland (a formerly fishing province until a decade-long end to most commerical fishing took place), PETA ran a cruelty to fish ad, featuring a near-naked woman. Considering the hardships the fishing end caused, their ad was in poor, cruel taste.

A local posed this for PETA: You take advantage of a young girl and parade her in the same way that you object to animals being paraded in public. perhaps next time, you should follow your own morals.

PETA did not have a responce.

Did PETA put a gun to her head and force her to do the ad? No? She did it of her own free will? Okay, just checking. Let me know when horses start signing up for chuckwagon races.

Peebs
11-15-03, 06:34 AM
BTW, you know what's really sexist? The presumption that young women are too spineless and dumb to make their own decisions about their bodies. <sarcasm>Clearly, if a woman poses for a naked picture it is because some smarter, smooth talking man tricked her into it.</sarcasm>

Sevenseas
11-15-03, 10:52 AM
I would use the term "advertising geniuses", too. The ads usually have humor, irony, clever ideas, original contrasts, etc. - things that, when in a TV commercial, usually guarantee the "best TV commercial of the month" prize that's awarded here. Provocation can be a good tool in addition to those mentioned.

I became lacto-ovo after seeing a PETA ad and reading their site. AR organizations that disagree with PETA's campaign techniques still use their campaign materials. The good/bad effect thing is always interesting, because I don't think it's that easy to calculate the effects, for they can show themselves after 50 years, for example. Changes in society and in people's views are extremely difficult to see, so we just have probable estimations.

PETA has an AR end/goal and AW means. This means that the goal is difficult for some to understand, which can be shown from the reaction the Holocaust on Your Plate campaign has had. The means, however, are easier for people to sometimes agree on, which can be shown from the small fast food chain improvements. Sometimes the AR end is too much for people, and they will therefore ignore the AW means, too. This happens with people whose views cannot be changed very easily anyway.

Like I implied in another thread: if PETA always turns people off vegetarianism, and if some people see multiple PETA ads, this means that some people double-turn-off from vegetarianism. This means that they will become either cannibals or vegetarians (the latter: -(-x) = x), assuming that it is that very absolute turn-off that is often implied.

Kurmudgeon
11-15-03, 11:01 AM
PETA are just following the rules; rules that the anti-PETA whiners don't seem to normally have a problem with.

Snarleyyow
11-15-03, 11:29 AM
I do not believe in or like everything PETA does. I think they are often extreme and that sometimes what they do and say backfires. BUT, I am glad PETA exists and I wouldn't change anything they do.

I ask two questions:

(1) Has anyone done more to help end animal suffering than PETA?

(2) Would you (meat eater or not) be criticizing PETA if you were an animal (non-human)?

PAveG*n
11-15-03, 02:38 PM
BTW, you know what's really sexist? The presumption that young women are too spineless and dumb to make their own decisions about their bodies. <sarcasm>Clearly, if a woman poses for a naked picture it is because some smarter, smooth talking man tricked her into it.</sarcasm>


I know I dont post that often, I am mostly a lurker :shy: , but I also disagree with the way they use mostly women to sell themselves. As a 23 yr old woman who has struggled with self esteem issues since I was probably 10 or 11, I find it disturbing that people objectify women, and young girls see this as "sexy" when it is really not even REALISTIC. I have had years of NO self esteem, depression, and even ended up addicted to drugs to try to escape the way I felt about myself. I dont think that ANYONE should sell sex to get their message across. There are so many young girls starving themseelves or calling themselves "vegetarians", and I think using sex can have devestating affects on girls. So, I totally disagree with PETA for going along with that. Thats just my opinion, though...

Robert
11-15-03, 02:59 PM
If you have any stats on your claim i would like to see them

(this was in response to Krista's assertion that PeTA turns more people off than they convert)

Majake, I cannot speak for Krista or anyone else... but I will say this. In real life I know Vegans, Vegetarians, and Omnis alike. I socialize with, and have known these people for a long time. NONE, I repeat none of them have any respect for PeTA any more. Several used to be financial supporters to PeTA. None of them are any more.

Now there is this board and it is clear that there are many veg* here that also dislike the way PeTA handles themselves, or outright has no respect for them at all.

So does PeTA turn off more people than they "convert". I would say yes, absolutely. The general public views PeTA with not a lot of respect, and probably considers them as just another extremist organization.

But I absolutely agree that their financial support of blatant criminals and people alleged to be associated with criminal activity and/or association with eco/domestic terrorist groups like the ALF/ELF is very much cause for the revocation of their Non-Profit Status. In fact, I think they should be investigated by the FBI for their alleged association with said criminal activity. As for Newkirk, the drama queen that she is... she needs to be given her own Reality TV series. She'd be right up there with the Osbournes and Anna Nicole Smith for laughs.

majake
11-15-03, 03:21 PM
Majake, I cannot speak for Krista or anyone else... but I will say this. In real life I know Vegans, Vegetarians, and Omnis alike. I socialize with, and have known these people for a long time. NONE, I repeat none of them have any respect for PeTA any more. Several used to be financial supporters to PeTA. None of them are any more.

Now there is this board and it is clear that there are many veg* here that also dislike the way PeTA handles themselves, or outright has no respect for them at all.

You will find few who do not appreciate the changes Peta have made in animal agriculture thru their actions, they may dislike Peta, but they sure like the changes they have made by calling attention to what abuses animals suffer. Could this have been done if Peta wasn't such a notorious organisation? Also, this isnt about a like or dislike of Peta, it is about what they do for animals and whether people respond to that, which apparently they do considering the amount of change their actions have caused.

mountainvegan
11-15-03, 03:21 PM
I ask two questions:

(1) Has anyone done more to help end animal suffering than PETA?

(2) Would you (meat eater or not) be criticizing PETA if you were an animal (non-human)?

:up:

PETA gets 100% credit for initially introducing me to AR and AW issues.

I would not give them credit for the much of the knowledge I have about it now, which came from many other sources that I later pursued, but without PETA introducing me to the issue in the first place, I'm not sure that it would have hit my radar screen for a long time, if ever. I do not know, nor have I EVER known ANY ethical veg*ns, other than my wife and the people on these boards.

Sevenseas
11-15-03, 03:32 PM
I socialize with, and have known these people for a long time. NONE, I repeat none of them have any respect for PeTA any more. Several used to be financial supporters to PeTA. None of them are any more.

I wonder how many of those are AR vegans... What a person supporting the AW ideology thinks about PETA's ideology is not called a proof - it's called self-evident.

Anyway, like I said, even many of those who oppose PETA's tactics use PETA's campaign materials, so there's also the indirect benefit.

I know people who dislike PETA because of the sexist (so claimed) advertising but like PETA because of their possible help to ALF (and this is the opinion of a lot of ARA's). I know people who dislike some of PETA's tactics and admire others, and so on. A generalization of some group of friends and their opinions won't show anything.

Robert
11-15-03, 03:48 PM
Sevenseas, which is why I deliberately where the basis of my opinion is derived... that it was evident my "sampling" is limited. But based on my own personal observsation, I see many more people opposed to PeTA than support them. In fact, even on this board, which is predomninantly veg*, it looks to be about 50/50. I figure if about 50% of veg* don't care for PeTA, or have been offended by PeTA, that's pretty sad on PeTA's part.

As for the ALF/ELF, well... let's just say I'm all for Government spending money on seeking out these domestic/eco terrorists and charging them as same. And you know something, I feel the same away about any ARA that in any way supports them. A supporter of domestic terrorism is just as guilty in my book, thus why I feel PeTA should indeed be investigated.

VeggieKitten
11-15-03, 06:25 PM
What is the inherent value of having a conscious mind? The only being it can matter to is a human, so how valuable is the human consciousness to a non-human animal?

". . .a human life, by virtue of human consciousness, is more valuable than the life of a lower animal. . ."

If human beings actually used their "conscious" minds and their true powers of being superior to "lower" animals, we wouldn't even be having this discussion. There would be no animal brutality, consumption, abomination, etc. and there would be no need for PETA.

Seems to me that human beings in all of our glorious consciousness are obviously not so superior after all.