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Walter
11-14-03, 05:45 PM
Defied US order to remove display
By Lyle Denniston, Globe Correspondent, 11/14/2003

WASHINGTON -- Roy S. Moore, known as the "Ten Commandments judge" and now a folk hero to religious conservatives, was ousted yesterday as Alabama's chief justice for disobeying a federal court mandate to remove a religious monument from the state judicial building.

The nine-member Court of the Judiciary, a state ethics tribunal, ordered Moore off the bench for openly and repeatedly defying a federal judge's order to take a large Ten Commandments display out of the rotunda of the court building in Montgomery.

Imposing the most severe punishment available, the ethics court said Moore has refused to give any assurances that he would obey that order or any similar order in the future.

"There is no penalty short of removal from office that would resolve this issue," the court said in its ruling. "Anything short of removal would only serve to set up another confrontation that would ultimately bring us back to where we are today."

The judges added: "Chief Justice Moore did not have the legal authority to decide whether the federal court order issued to him in his official capacity . . . should be obeyed; rather, he was constitutionally mandated to obey it."

The monument was removed from its prominent public place in August. After a federal appeals court upheld the removal order, Moore's eight colleagues on the state Supreme Court voted to overrule him and carry out the removal.

The display, in the form of a large marble lectern with a book open to the Ten Commandments carved into the top, is now stored in a closet in the same building.

The US Supreme Court later refused to hear two appeals by Moore.

Moore, in testifying before the ethics court on Wednesday, had reaffirmed his earlier statements that he had no apologies for refusing to carry out the order to remove the display. "I would do it again," he said.

After the ethics court's ruling, Moore said outside the courthouse that he had no regrets, but would consult with advisers before deciding whether to appeal to the Alabama Supreme Court.

The ethics court could have censured Moore or suspended him without pay. He was temporarily suspended with pay in August when six ethics complaints against him were filed by a state Judicial Inquiry Commission. The Court of the Judiciary upheld all six of those complaints, which charged that he had brought disrespect on the courts by failing to obey the law.

Although Moore loses his seat on the state's highest court, a seat he won in 2000 after a campaign focusing on his support of the public display of the Ten Commandments, he is not barred from trying to win election to that post again, according to William Stewart, professor of political science at the University of Alabama in Tuscaloosa and a specialist on the state constitution.

Governor Bob Riley, a Republican who previously had backed Moore's support of public displays of the Ten Commandments, will appoint a replacement, but the new chief justice would serve only until the next election, scheduled in November 2004. The chief justice chosen then would serve out Moore's six-year term, which he began on Jan. 1, 2001.

Moore could run for the post because the ethics court does not have the power to disqualify him permanently. But one of the groups that had challenged his monuments display, the Southern Poverty Law Center, said it would seek to have him disbarred as a lawyer in Alabama -- a move that, if successful, would disqualify him for election to the chief justiceship, Stewart said.

In ousting Moore, the state court stressed that the case was "not about the public display of the Ten Commandments" in the state courthouse or about "the acknowledgment of God" -- a phrase Moore used repeatedly to justify his actions. The court said it "recognized that the acknowledgment of God is very much a vital part of the public and private fabric of our country." But it went on to stress that the court's only task was to weigh the claim of a violation of the code of ethics for judges.

mouse
11-14-03, 05:47 PM
This was the proper decision in this case.

I suspect this was part of a calculated ploy on Moore's part, though; I will be surprised if he doesn't use his increased "fame" to run for election to a non-judicial office.

Gracie
11-14-03, 07:01 PM
Mouse, you're right on target. I live in Alabama, where Moore has been "on tour", speaking at churches all over the state. I'm sure he'll be our next governor.

Let me say, I'm all for the 10 commandments, just not that monument. What he did was wrong, and he knew it. Why else would he have had the monument installed in the middle of the night?

And I don't appreciate his use of Christianity to further his own political career.

Christy
11-14-03, 07:02 PM
Hallelujiah.

mouse
11-14-03, 07:17 PM
And I don't appreciate his use of Christianity to further his own political career.

Gracie, I understand. I suspect that someone's calculating use of religion to further his own personal agenda would be most galling to a fellow believer.

Christy
11-18-03, 11:30 AM
But such a prominent religious monument in a courthouse, a place of law, sends a message.

FalafelsRule
11-18-03, 11:31 AM
good! another idiot gone.

Gracie
11-18-03, 05:55 PM
The local news is reporting that Judge Roy Moore would win the election for governor, were the election held today. I'm not crazy about the current governor (reminds me a lot of Reagan), but Moore's use of religion to garner support for his polical career is offensive to me.

ceryna
11-18-03, 07:28 PM
Putting the religious issue aside, the Judge disobeyed an order from his superiors, and the proper consequence for this was removal from his position.

I won't express my opinion on the appropriateness of the presence of the 10 Commandments in the Courthouse in this thread, since we're not in the Heap.

(Although I doubt my opinion is that controversial, heh.)

Erin_S2S
11-18-03, 07:44 PM
Putting the religious issue aside, the Judge disobeyed an order from his superiors, and the proper consequence for this was removal from his position.
Exactly.

ceryna
11-19-03, 01:31 AM
I think that since religion can be a really sensitive subject for some people, any debate about the appropriateness of the presence of the 10 Commandments in the building should take place in the Compost Heap. Please feel free to start a thread there to debate it if you want.

Discussion of the article and its subject (the Judge being ousted), can take place here, so long as it doesn't become Heap-like.

That's my opinion.

ETA: New thread for debate is here (http://www.veggieboards.com/boards/showthread.php?t=12203)