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epski
10-14-03, 07:27 PM
Probably belongs at "In The News," but this thread seems to be where all the obesity and weight issue threads crop up, so it seemed more appropriate and a better way to make sure the majority of affected individuals see it:

Study Shows Depth of Obesity Stigma
Just Standing Next to an Obese Person Can Affect How People Are Perceived, New Study Shows

The Associated Press

FORT LAUDERDALE, Fla. Oct. 14 — While it is no surprise that people often have a low opinion of the overweight, a new study finds that just standing next to a large person can be bad for one's image.

The experiment, conducted in England, demonstrates the depths of stigmatization endured by heavy people: It even rubs off on their friends.

Trying to combat discrimination against the overweight is a topic of discussion at this week's meeting in Fort Lauderdale of the North American Association for the Study of Obesity, the field's top professional organization.

Even here, though, another study suggests that obesity specialists themselves may harbor subtle, if unintentional, negative attitudes toward their patients.

"Weight stigma is powerful, pervasive and destructive," said Marlene Schwartz, a Yale psychologist.

In the English study, psychologist Jason Halford and colleagues from the University of Liverpool tested 144 female students' reactions to two prom photos. One showed a dapper, thin young fellow standing next to a svelte ringlet-haired woman. The other was the same photo altered to show the guy arm-in-arm with a very large, nicely dressed woman.

The volunteers took a quick look at one or the other of the pictures and then were asked their opinion of the man. They rated him from 1 to 5 on 50 negative adjectives called the "fat phobia scale" that people often use to describe obese people.

The man with the big woman was rated 22 percent more negatively than the same fellow with the thin companion. When seen with the large woman, he was more likely to be described as miserable, self-indulgent, passive, shapeless, depressed, weak, insignificant and insecure.

"It shows that people project negative attitudes associated with obesity not only on the obese but all those who associate with them," Halford said.

The study also found that students who were themselves overweight were more likely than usual to rate the man harshly when pictured with the obese partner.

At the same obesity meeting two years ago, researchers give a word quiz, called an implicit association test, to about 200 obesity professionals. The test, intended to measure bias, asks people to quickly link up words like "lazy," "stupid" and "worthless" on command with obese or thin people.

The results, described at this year's meeting, showed that obesity professionals were more apt to link the negative words with overweight people, even when trying not to.

"These are unconscious attitudes," said Heather Chambliss of the Cooper Institute in Dallas.

Carol Johnson of Milwaukee, a large woman who heads a support organization called Largely Positive, told the conference that overweight people are often discriminated against by doctors, who ascribe all their problems to weight and sometimes withhold standard treatments, like blood pressure pills, that they freely prescribe to thin patients.

"Society wants no fatties," Johnson said.

Rebecca Puhl of Yale said bias against the large begins early in life. Studies show that even preschoolers are more likely to describe overweight playmates as mean, ugly or stupid.

She said overweight people are less likely to get into college, less likely to get hired and more likely to get fired.

"Expressing negative attitudes toward obese people has become an acceptable form of bias," she said.

Medical Editor Daniel Q. Haney is a special correspondent for The Associated Press.

Copyright 2003 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.

NDvegan85
10-14-03, 07:41 PM
It's things like this that make me ashamed to be a part of society.

muppetcow
10-14-03, 08:16 PM
Bah, that's terrible.

Society puts entirely too much emphasis on physical appearance. I'm underweight and get a fair amount of disparaging comments, but it's nothing like friends of mine who are overweight. I think the general perception is that if you are overweight, you've done something wrong. Yes, there are plenty of overweight people who lead terribly unhealthy lives but there are also lots of overweight people who are loads healthier than me.

shethatisnau
10-14-03, 09:51 PM
I don't really know what to say about this...I know I have an unintentional bias at times, though I can honestly say I never notice the weights of my friends. When people start to show negative aspects and I start to feel any animosity towards them I'll pick up on their weight pretty quickly, though, and that'll become an issue, as much as I hate to admit it. I think it's partly because I've grown up with my thin father, who is quite blunt about his opinions of heavy people (if we're in the store and a large woman is buying sweets he'll crack an unappropriate joke to me, or when I gain weight he starts calling me fat, lazy and tells me to stop eating so much), so that's had an impact on how I view weight. From my experience, most people tend to be overweight for a reason- though this isn't true for all cases, of course, but the people I've known who have been had issues with food. It's true that people can have biological reasons for being overweight, true, and I don't argue otherwise, I've just not met any who did. I know I'm biased, I try very hard not to judge people by their weight (and for the most part I don't think I do), but I've had issues with weight that have encouraged these feelings further.

Still, it's sad that so many people hold overweight individuals in a negative light, consciously or not, and as much as I may dislike it, I'm probably one of them. :-/

Azalea
10-14-03, 09:56 PM
... or when I gain weight he starts calling me fat, lazy and tells me to stop eating so much


Nau- that's incredebly cruel. I'm really sorry that you've had to endure that kind of insensitive name-calling, especially from your father.
:-/

Kreeli
10-14-03, 10:05 PM
even if someone is overweight because they make poor food choices or are compulsively overeating, they still don't deserve to be treated like crap by the rest of society. they are still human beings. let he who is without sin cast the first stone, i always say. (and i'm not even religious!)

Kreeli
10-14-03, 10:07 PM
oh, and in regards to this article, although i'm glad it was published, as a fat person i always find these kinds of studies frustrating. because all you have to do is ASK a fat person, or the people who love them, what it's like to be fat or love fat people in the fat-hating climate we live in to know that we are all treated differently and badly by most of society. but for some reason no one will believe us or admit to it until some research team publishes a paper on it.

MsRuthieB
10-15-03, 12:20 AM
Damn **sholes! I'm sick of them all. Insensitive bastards!

eggplant
10-15-03, 04:21 AM
Aargh. Stuff like this irritates me to no end. Although I was never obese, I was overweight for most of my adult life. I'm at a healthy weight now, but I have to remain constantly vigilant about what I eat and how much I exercise since my family is prone to overweight. Having gained control over my weight has made me even more sympathetic towards obese people because I know first hand how difficult it is to maintain a healthy weight when you are genetically suseptible to obesity and live in a society that bombards you with unhealthy food choices wherever you look. Everyone has bad habits and weaknesses, many much worse than eating too much, and yet eating too much is more harshly judged than things like smoking, sleeping around, cruelty to animals, picking your nose, etc. because obesity is so visible. Also, plenty of thin people have the same poor eating and excercise habits as obese people, but they're not genetically predisposed to being fat. Not to mention that many "overweight" people aren't particularly unhealthy. A friend of mine who was bulimic told me that when she was at her thinnest (ie. sickest), more people than ever told her how great she looked. I just wish more people would think about the subtle and not so subtle ways in which they discriminate against larger folk and focus on their own easier-to-hide problems.

Tiggzie
10-15-03, 04:31 AM
Hmmm...this was interesting.

You know what though? I don't know what I'm sick of more: People thinking negatively of fat people or fat people thinking negatively of other fat people and themselves. Don't get me wrong, I know how hard it can be to be "the fat person" or the obese person but sometimes I think that we let ourselves get stepped on. Most of the time it's our own footprints on our backs, no wonder the rest of society steps on us too...

On another note this article simply proved what i've known for a while: appearences, personality, etc are sometimes (often) gauged by your associations.

ebola
10-15-03, 07:35 AM
That experiment really could use a control, eg, the man standing alone.
This would help squelth the alternative hypothesis that the thin woman raises the man's rating for attractiveness, accounting for the differing ratings.

Quizeen
10-15-03, 03:30 PM
Ebola, you're right about having some sort of control group. Also it wouldn't have hurt to have a switch up with an overweight man and a thin woman. I think that there is a definite bias toward overweight women in particular. The window of what "overweight" is seems to be much smaller for women than it is for men. Women seemed to be judged much more harshly about their appearance than men do, by other women, of course, but also by men.

Think about all of those ridiculous TV commercials you've ever seen featuring jovial, likeable overweight guys hawking mega-sized TV dinners, snacks, sports shows and apparel etc. (what about that "King of Queens" sitcom with its overweight male star and his svelte wife?) As viewers we're supposed to like and relate to them, not necessarily mock them. You never, ever see overweight women portrayed the same way. Heck the new 1-pound Hungry Man TV Dinner commercials tout larger men over smaller men as being more manly. Are overweight women ever portrayed as being more womanly (except in cool Blues songs of course :))?

There's just as much putrid sexism in our societal weight biases as there is fat-ism.

Kreeli
10-15-03, 03:34 PM
something that concerns me about this study, too, is that it will do less to quash the stigma, and more to increase people's fears about loving/associating with fat people (since the negative associations are contagious, apparently). just lovely.

ebola
10-15-03, 09:28 PM
something that concerns me about this study, too, is that it will do less to quash the stigma, and more to increase people's fears about loving/associating with fat people (since the negative associations are contagious, apparently). just lovely.

I'd say it really depends who reads the study. Sure, if assholes read the study, they may consciously fear associating with fat people, but they're assholes anyway. :)

ebola
np: haujobb

Quizeen
10-16-03, 02:34 AM
Even if regular folk read the study I think that they couldn't help but unconsciously internalize the message that Kreeli fears they will. It certainly seems possible. I definitely picked up on that as I was reading the article. I kept think of my mom (who has been obese all of my life) and the sick amount of grief she's gotten for her weight. She definitely suffers from an inferiority complex that can be directly related to her weight, and I know a few of her "friends" who, if they learned of such a study, would actually blame her more for the stigma she places on them. People suck fat ciznock.

soilman
10-16-03, 09:00 PM
""Weight stigma is powerful, pervasive and destructive," said Marlene Schwartz, a Yale psychologist."

Duh.

soilman
10-16-03, 09:03 PM
Kreeli writes:
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all you have to do is ASK a fat person, or the people who love them, what it's like to be fat or love fat people in the fat-hating climate we live in to know that we are all treated differently and badly by most of society. but for some reason no one will believe us or admit to it until some research team publishes a paper on it.
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pickletatertot
10-17-03, 03:16 PM
I agree with Quizeen, there is definitely a different view of fat women than fat men. I am a skinny woman married to a fat man. He totally agrees that fat women have it harder than fat men. He has been made fun of but doesn't feel like he is judged solely on his weight. He doesn't feel like it has ever hurt him with regards to schooling or jobs.

I used to weigh 70 lbs more than I do now. It's been about a year since I lost the weight. With my weight loss I feel like I have become "visible." Before I lost weight, I was never made fun of but I felt like I was treated "matronly." Now I feel like people are friendlier to me. It's hard to explain, people smile more, men hold the door open for me more often. I notice a difference and I truly believe it is because of my weight loss.

I have never felt judged myself for being with a man who is classified as obese. It's okay for women to be with a big burly guy but it doesn't work in reverse. I think it would be interesting to see a study done with the opposite situation; a thin woman with a fat man. Even though my husband has always been much bigger than me, I wonder what people think of us now? I'm 5'5" 123lbs. He's 5'11" and weighs 280. I wonder if people think we look weird together?

JavaPrincess
10-17-03, 08:01 PM
That experiment really could use a control, eg, the man standing alone.
This would help squelth the alternative hypothesis that the thin woman raises the man's rating for attractiveness, accounting for the differing ratings.


Im sure they had a control, this isnt the scientific journal report it is the newspaper article...there is no way it would have pased the departemental review without a control of some sort

anyway this study is exactly why i am doing part of my study in HS students. ( im a psych undergrad - im studying how peer attitudes in private and public schools differ and therefore affect the respective body images of students in those schools.) anyway the importance put on weight and appearance and the unconscious and conscious biases we all clearly have are disturbing. I have been on all ends of the weight continuum, I have been singled out for my weight, and so have my loved ones i know what it is like.

I have never felt judged myself for being with a man who is classified as obese. It's okay for women to be with a big burly guy but it doesn't work in reverse.
actually i think there is stigma and people do react in some way maybe not the same way but they do make character judgements onthe women but i agree a study would be interesting... but perhaps they did it again this report wasnt the journal.

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