In short order the WI state Sen will pass conceld carry legislation. the law will require all those who cary to pass screen by FBI and ATF, pay 75 for the permit, take a course that will cover saftey, how and when it is legal to use the weapon. Guns will be barred from taverns with the exception taverne operators, churches, hospitials and schools(exception teachers and security)will be required to post signs that say no Fire arms on grounds.
WI represents the 43 state to allow conceled cary of those remaining states all but two have current legeslation in progress. The two that do not have legislation process recently voted down on the issue.

I have a license to carry in GA. I assume a background check was done, and they took a thumb print. I didn't have to take a safety course.

The thing is, those of us who go through all of this stuff to follow the laws usually are not the ones committing the crimes. Oh, don't get me started.

Amen sister, and good for you in pursuing your self preservation. i dont know when you got permit, but the whole course buz is new about the last three years. they teach more than how to clean a gun as some would believe,a dn not knowing your shooting backround, can be very beifical. they teach Close Quarter battle which in the event you draw...you will be in close proximity to your assaliant (perfect practice makes perfect) the shooting advice and pratice on things such as front sight focus, drawing and ..yes some cool very cool easy access purses. The couse is about three days.

That sounds good. I've sat down with my husband to clean his automatic and my revolver. We don't go shoot as often as I'd like, though. I think I got the license in '97, without looking at it.

I went to a hunter's safety course with my husband once, but I'm sure that's not the same. I've also been looking for some sort of self defense course, but can only find martial arts and Krav Maga. That takes a lot of practice and concentration (and money) I can't give.

Here is alink that provides alot information about what this one company offers, contact the NRA and they will be able to help you find instruction in your state, this instruction goes far above and in a totaly diferent direction than Hunter Saftey.

http://www.caswells.com/ccw.html
another
www.packing.org
i think

I worked with my local legislator to help get CCW passed in NC back in 1996, and was one of the first in the state to be issued a permit back then. Our fees are a bit more and we have to renew every 4 years at $90.

That said I just don't find myself carrying a handgun very much. I have to go into so many places that won't allow possession even with the permit that it's a hassle to have to unstrap all the time. Instead I just keep handguns accessible in areas where I frequent such as my car, office, home, etc. As in virtually every other state that has passed CCW legislation, violent crime has decreased since it's passage here in NC.

Same here. For a while, I worked on an Air Force base, and now work at a state government facility. I'll carry it when going out of town or to a place I think I might need it.

Same here. For a while, I worked on an Air Force base, and now work at a state government facility. I'll carry it when going out of town or to a place I think I might need it.

Yep, me too. :) I never go on the road or check into a hotel without bringing one along. I once saw a cop on tv talking about hotel burglaries and he started bitching about how many handguns were being stolen, he said he was surprised at how many people brought handguns into hotel rooms. I thought to myself, "Sheesh, doesn't EVERYBODY? " :D

Sh.....My state has no CCW yet...but I will never be with out my 1911 ultra compact

he said he was surprised at how many people brought handguns into hotel rooms. I thought to myself, "Sheesh, doesn't EVERYBODY? "

This thread is so weird to me - I'd be really worried if I thought the person in a room next to me had a gun. I sounds like a totally different way of life. I actually think it's a bad idea for the average policeman in the UK to carry a gun, let alone the population. I suppose it's just different in different places though.

I oppose concealed weapons. Here in Missouri, the legislature just passed a CW law, despite the fact that a referendum on the issue was recently defeated. (The NRA spent enough money greasing our local legislators to get it passed in the face of public opposition. The deciding vote on the veto override was cast by a Republican who was flown back from active duty (he's in the reserves) just for that vote. The military is investigating the circumstances of his leave.)

I personally don't like the idea of people around me carrying guns. I've known too many people who have lost their tempers and their rationality. I see the carrying of guns by the general populace as a backward step for society. It's an unfortunate regression that seems part of our "Wild West" mentality.

I oppose concealed weapons. Here in Missouri, the legislature just passed a CW law, despite the fact that a referendum on the issue was recently defeated. (The NRA spent enough money greasing our local legislators to get it passed in the face of public opposition. The deciding vote on the veto override was cast by a Republican who was flown back from active duty (he's in the reserves) just for that vote. The military is investigating the circumstances of his leave.)

I personally don't like the idea of people around me carrying guns. I've known too many people who have lost their tempers and their rationality. I see the carrying of guns by the general populace as a backward step for society. It's an unfortunate regression that seems part of our "Wild West" mentality.

Mouse, yep, that's what they were all saying here too ("blood in the streets", "Dodge City", et al ) but, guess what, the sky really didn't fall at all. ;)

I hear that some judge out there has granted a TRO holding up the process, what do you think the outcome of that challenge will be?

Mouse, yep, that's what they were all saying here too ("blood in the streets", "Dodge City", et al ) but, guess what, the sky really didn't fall at all. ;)

I hear that some judge out there has granted a TRO holding up the process, what do you think the outcome of that challenge will be?

The sky doesn't have to fall for me to think it's a step backward for civilization. :D (In addition, just one life lost because someone had a gun handy at a moment of rage is one too many. On the other hand, if people are just shooting other people who are also armed (as long as the targets aren't law enforcement), I guess I won't consider it too much of a loss. :D )

I think the challenge will probably fail.

I think the challenge will probably fail.

Me too.

Also, you need to throw a "do it for the children" in there along with the " even just one" thing; I'll be totally convinced that you are in fact Hillary . . . :kiss:
If just ONE woman can thwart a rape attempt by producing her lawfully carried handgun it will all be justified, we're doing it for HER children . . . . :p

I've got a buddy and fellow gun junkie/activist that's an attorney in St Louis; he's telling me that he doesn't even think the TRO will make it to an injunction. Time will tell, I suppose. :)

Me too.

Also, you need to throw a "do it for the children" in there along with the " even just one" thing; I'll be totally convinced that you are in fact Hillary . . . :kiss:
If just ONE woman can thwart a rape attempt by producing her lawfully carried handgun it will all be justified, we're doing it for HER children . . . . :p


:eek: I've been outed!!! :eek:

From personal experience, I can tell you that a potential rapist would have to announce his intentions from quite a distance in order to give me sufficient time to find and retrieve my gun from my purse. :D (Of course, I could always carry a cute little Derringer in a garter. On second thoughts, no--wearing a garter all the time would be certain to drive me into such a degree of irritation that I would probably start shooting into a crowd somewhere.)

It's something I've never understood, this strange fascination people have with guns. I've understood it in specific instances with individuals I've known. My stepson, the one who shot and killed his mother and then himself, was fascinated by guns because he was insecure and easily intimidated physically; guns to him represented an ability to be equal to others. My ex brother-in-law, who has a very extensive collection, feels the need to make a show of his "macho-ness" in pretty much every facet of his life.

I'm assuming that there are "healthier" reasons why individuals love guns. I'd be interested in hearing them.

:eek: I've been outed!!! :eek:


I'm assuming that there are "healthier" reasons why individuals love guns. I'd be interested in hearing them.

Ok, I'll tell you a few, but right now I've got to go, my son called the office and he's been bitten by a brown recluse spider and he just got back home from the doctor so I'd better meander on to the casa . . . . :)

The reason (well, one of a few) that I want to retain my right to carry is this: I want to protect myself from the guy who gets his gun from Pookie on the corner illegally. They can legislate all they want, but they will not control the black market. And as long as cops have guns that can be stolen or sold illegally, no dice.

I understand what you're saying, Christy, but as a practical matter, I question the effectiveness of having a gun in the situation you describe. If someone intends to commit violence on me through use of a gun, he/she will presumably have it at the ready, whereas I won't have mine at the ready (unless I wear some kind of holster and practice a quick draw). I suspect, if anything, that any attempt on my part to pull out and use a gun will only escalate the situation.

I go everywhere I would go if I were armed, and being female doesn't factor into it, other than the fact that I try to be aware of my surroundings more than most men would probably be. The way I figure it, if someone wants my purse or my car, they can have them. They're just things, not worth my life, or an attacker's life. If someone wants to force me into a car, they can just shoot me right there; I'd rather that my family know that I died a quick death than to be in doubt about my fate. Rape--well, it's not a fate worse than death, and we need to de-stigmatize it for the victims.

But all of this is just how I feel; I know it's different for others.

You know what is far more terifing than a gun, kills more people every day, yet is leat restriced of all causes of death...the automobile. i see people who drive at 70mph less than 10' behind me and other motorist ( ifind that to be assult with a deadly weapon, reckless operation, asurded clear distanace.0 then what scares me more is often this sceen....I am passed by a car driving about 72 the truck i am following is going about 70,,, a car or suv comes barreling up the bumper of the car that passed me....the car slams on his breaks (his total right as the car behind must maintain asurded clear distance...and whamo between the tie smoke car parts and airbag powder i worry about geting hit by the jerk behind me. Then look at rolling stops at stop sings, a close friend of mine was run over and killed by some air head on cell phone who rolled the stop sign... she said" I was going so slow and late for work i did nnto see him" well guess what if you are late...speeding only makes you maybe a min les late...like that would save your job, or impress a would be bos on an interview.

mouse, I worry about the accessibility, too. I feel safer with it, though. Of course, I think the required courses is a good idea, because not all people grew up around guns and knows how to handle and shoot them. For instance, holding it gangsta-style (as seen on TV) is a good way to get a hot shell in the face.

Christy, yes, I have to smile every time I see a gun being held that way on TV. It's a stupid way to hold/fire a gun.

American, I agree that cars are lethal weapons if driven stupidly or recklessly (and sometimes even when driven properly). People should be held more accountable for how they use cars. But if you're bringing up cars to argue that they're the same as guns, you would be comparing two totally different things.

If someone could go back in time and stop automobiles and guns from ever existing, I'd say more power to 'em. The world would certainly be a better place. But since I don't see that happening anytime soon, I would like to be the owner of both.
I would like to have a permit to carry a concealed weapon because I am alone a lot. If other people didn't have weapons then I would not feel the need for them. As far as having a chance to get the weapon out before it is too late, I believe that I could. If it came down to my survival or the survival of someone I love against that of an attacker, I would win the fight by any means necessary.
It would be nice though if violence was something we didn't have to worry about. But since we do, I would like to be able to protect myself.

Mouse your point about situational awareness is an excellent one and I see that you already practice it, good job. It's a much better weapon than a firearm. I too would quickly surrender possessions rather than take a human life because the psychological trauma that I would endure from killing a human would be much more destructive to me than the loss of a car or a wristwatch.

However, when the personal safety of myself or my clan is in jeopardy then I'm not surrendering. Ever. I appreciate your willingness to do so as Mrs. Bank holds the same view, but I just wasn't raised that way and I refuse to be prey. I may go down but I won't be an easy victim. I did the IDPA thing back when I was a youngster and was ranked pretty high in the Enhanced Service Pistol category ( modified .45 auto ) back in the early 1980s, but I gave up handgun competition long ago for several reasons, first and foremost because I no longer had the time to practice as was necessary to retain my former level of proficiency. Still, even in my old, broken down, unpracticed condition I'd likely be a damn buzzsaw against some jonesing crackhead with a stolen gun . . . ;)

You asked for something "healthy" coming from owning a firearm. What could be more "healthy" than saving your life or the lives of those you love? I've never heard a doc refer to a corpse as a "picture of health" . . . :D

I appoligize but some times when i believe I most clear I am realy not, on eof those it looked good to me deals. So second try, with a differnt aproach...
Automobile are infact deadly , people seem to forget this and lose sight of what is important while driving...driving. I did compair guns to cars as they are both deadly, one "cars" are all to often wielded like toy swords adn driven like space ships that have some kind of all protecting force field around them and the attitude of I cant get hurt in my car is all to previlent. Now guns..people are mystifyed by guns, and view them the same way they should see autos, but dont. Guns are tools just as a car is a tool, in and of themselves incapable of doing good or evil. people and how they use these tools determine what actions take place. Owning a firearm is a right part of the fabric that makes our Nation great, and all legal gun owners take this to hart, autos are privilage and far to many people have forgotten this even our law makers have. Some people think that CCW is a buch of peole looking for trouble, when the reality is if a CCW is in the park walking or on a bus, or where ever they understand the full responsibilty that that carries with it, and it could even save the life of a none CCW. If even 5%of the airline passangers had been CCW on 911, and had been to training classes the hijackers never would or could have won that day.
And yes to another subject up above, if you are packing yoou should practice and handle your gun for a few min every day, there is no point in carying it if you cant get to it. they do by the way make special purses for women to hold a gun that are quick to get to designed by women, so when walking your hand can be at the ready adn your other on your keys. As for being attacked and raped you being awoman know far more than I, but I would rather have the chance to draw then not at all, and your SA is everything adn makes all the differnce. i encourage everyone to go to your local gun range and at least learn to shoot a pistol, and to try sporting clays, and if you still have no interest in shoting sports thats fine but you should at least try it out, the worse thing that will happen is you will learn something new for the old noggin.